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2003/12/02 20:48:24 (permalink)

Whats the truth about steroids

Hi what is the truth about steroids. I think a few people down my gym maybe on them. They have made some miraculous gains in the same time I have been training and I just dont beleive its natural.

How can you tell if someone is on them?
How much can you gain on them?
How long does the muscle stay on them?

etc etc

Its just annoying as my progress is slow and hard. And some of these gym bods seem to be cheating.

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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/02 20:53:01 (permalink)
    1) unless you know them before you won't know what's changed to give away whether they are or not.
    2) depends
    3) depends

    Cheating?!?!? who are they cheating exactly??? we all choose are own routes in life, you don't have to like it but their AAS use is no-one business but theirs TBH, it's their own personal choice.

    Be very careful about how this gets debated. I won't move this to AAS cos the way it's been worded will wind many ppl up, as it might have me a little [:I]

    Focus on yourself and your goals, don't worry yourself with others.

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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/02 20:54:20 (permalink)
    first off i dont think that u should be takin roids as a beginner u have to realise that it aint no over night ting, it takes bout 7 months or so to see significant gains, IMO u should wait till u reach ur natural limit then consider takin em (sides do u really want smaller balls?). im no expert on roids, but first off yes the gains they make are not natural cos takin roids isnt natural in the first place. tell tale signs usually are increased acne, increased rage,redness in the face, thats all i know off but others like partyboy will probs be able to tell u alot more.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/02 21:21:30 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by ice_mach

    first off i dont think that u should be takin roids as a beginner u have to realise that it aint no over night ting, it takes bout 7 months or so to see significant gains, IMO u should wait till u reach ur natural limit then consider takin em (sides do u really want smaller balls?). im no expert on roids, but first off yes the gains they make are not natural cos takin roids isnt natural in the first place. tell tale signs usually are increased acne, increased rage,redness in the face, thats all i know off but others like partyboy will probs be able to tell u alot more.

    Never had smaller balls,or increased rage,or red face,have had some acne.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/02 21:32:31 (permalink)
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    it takes bout 7 months or so to see significant gains,

    gains in muscle mass can be measured in weeks

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    im no expert on roids, but first off yes the gains they make are not natural cos takin roids isnt natural in the first place.

    this debatable, test is test whether synthetic or produced by the body. the quantities are indeed different.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/02 22:11:34 (permalink)
    As a piece of advice i would say to get your training 100% in order, get your diet 100% in order then take at least one year training natural to see what gains you get.

    After this period assess the situation, the people i have seen make the best gains on steroids are those with a good 'natural' base. Most of the people who dont see good results use them to compensate for poor diet and training.

    As for a personal opinion, i would say that to use them is fine but respect what they are and what they can do to you (good if used properly, bad if abused)
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/03 03:41:45 (permalink)
    In my opinion they are a great thing... I wanted to take them last summer but people convinced me otherwise, mainly because of my age. I'm glad I didn't though... I did more research on them after and decided I'd best wait atleast another year. Make sure your diet is completely sorted out before even bothering with roids... And wait till you have atleast 3 years training expirience.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/03 07:51:25 (permalink)
    my apologies to scruffy and trebor as i said im no expert on roids.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/03 08:42:31 (permalink)
    I started noticing muscle gains in weeks after picking up the dumbell. The gains are fast to start with but will then slow down, but with knowledge and determination you can make fantastic gains as a natural trainer.

    True, the whole AAS discussion is a sore point here as about 50% of the board users are on roids. It's funny though how using straps or partial rep can easily be called cheating but adding synthetic test of 25 fold of your natural levels to your bloodstream cannot be called that Anyways, like DV said, it's your own goals and progress that matters, not others.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/03 12:51:54 (permalink)
    Before I got into weight training I thought like most of the public with regards to steroids, Ben Johnson sprang to mind, it's cheating it's evil etc.!

    But now I am grown up I don't see the problem. They are an option open to anyone, there can be risks and side effects involved but a person accepts them when they choose to use them so where's the harm? If you abuse them and get roid rage and kill someone then that's a problem, but someone who uses them sensibly, increases their muscle mass, achieves their goals with no harm done to anyone, what is so wrong about that?

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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/03 16:39:33 (permalink)
    I consider the use of straps to be far worse than steroids. I judge people on how hard they work in the gym, and if a steroid user works as hard as a non-steroid user then he gets the same amount of respect from me.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/03 16:49:46 (permalink)
    If you're under 21, whats the point in taking gear???? None, because there is no physcial way you have exceeded your body's natural potential. I started gear at 21 and that was too young for me. I have since stopped and i am making good enough gains now naturally and i don't even eat that well.

    The problem with many people is that they are impatient or don't train and diet properly. If you have nailed both of these and have seriously stopped making gains (im talking over 6 months of no progress with many new methods and variations in your lifestyle implied), then, and only then should you consider taking gear IN MY OPINION
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/05 20:37:26 (permalink)
    I've heard horror stories about steroids like my cousins mate who caught flu and lost a stone of mass in a week. Don't know if this is 100% or usual "hype" but like everything else if your sensible then fair does.. just not my bag.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/05 22:33:55 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by ice_mach

    first off i dont think that u should be takin roids as a beginner u have to realise that it aint no over night ting, it takes bout 7 months or so to see significant gains, IMO u should wait till u reach ur natural limit then consider takin em (sides do u really want smaller balls?). im no expert on roids, but first off yes the gains they make are not natural cos takin roids isnt natural in the first place. tell tale signs usually are increased acne, increased rage,redness in the face, thats all i know off but others like partyboy will probs be able to tell u alot more.




    Lol, I have never touched AS and get all of the above.

    Bluenun edit to add
    I mean acne, rage and redness not smaller balls
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/07 23:48:32 (permalink)
    There isnt much I can add that hasnt been covered by you guys but I will stress a few things.

    Never use under 21 as you have lots of natrual test and Gh floating around

    Always make sure you have your training and nutrition in place first...Many people think they have but are very wrong. I sugest searching this and other forums to make sure you got it right.

    Train for 2-3 years with the above points in place.

    When you finaly are ready to use, keep the doses down!!!!! You dont need a lot and by that I mean never more than 500mg per week. You can always put more in if the dose your on is doing the job!

    Yes I have experienced shrunken balls, acne, high BP and agression amoungst many other things. I also find my penis is larger whilst on test so lets not go on the old 'steroids make your dick small' subject.

    Regardind sides, I think we are all different so dont expect not to, or to experience them.

    Gear is not cheating unless your pretending not to be using it and/or entering natrual shows!!!!

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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/08 09:49:59 (permalink)
    "Gear is not cheating unless your pretending not to be using it and/or entering natrual shows!!!!"

    spot on.

    rob

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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/08 14:10:20 (permalink)
    So isnt Mr Olympia a drug tested comp? Are you telling me that all these guys on stage are geared up.

    I feel kind of dis heartened now as I always thought these guys put alot of hard work in and where to be aspired to from a young age. Buy now it seems the bubble is bursting and they are just banned drug takers.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/08 14:28:58 (permalink)
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    So isnt Mr Olympia a drug tested comp? Are you telling me that all these guys on stage are geared up.

    I feel kind of dis heartened now as I always thought these guys put alot of hard work in and where to be aspired to from a young age. Buy now it seems the bubble is bursting and they are just banned drug takers.



    edit scruffy

    ALL THE BIG TIME PRO'S DO GEAR. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T WORK HARDER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

    IF YOU WANT TO TESTTHIS THEORY I WILL BUY YOU A COURSE OF DBOL AND IF YOU JUST TAKE THEM ON THIER OWN, NO STRICT DIET AND NO TRAINING SEE HOW MUCH MASS YOU GROW....


    ...NONE, WILL BE THE OUTCOME.

    IT TAKES **** LOADS OF HEARD WORK TO MAKE STED'S WORTH THIER MONEY, IF YOU DON'T EAT LIKE 10MEN AND TRAIN LIKE 20 THEN YOU ARE PISSING MONEY AWAY.

    in short, please drop this, "sted's are cheating attitude" and any releated questions. sorry if thats harsh, but i have plan to do a course in the future and it feels to me liek you[and those with a similar attitude] are taking away from me all i have/will have achived.
    rob
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/08 14:34:15 (permalink)
    Ok no probs. Each to their own I suppose. I hope you get somewhere. Good Luck.
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    RE: Whats the truth about steroids 2003/12/08 14:36:48 (permalink)
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    Each to their own I suppose. I hope you get somewhere. Good Luck


    thanks, and you the same mate.
    rob
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