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2018/06/04 10:25:10 (permalink)
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When to go TRT?

 
So im hitting all the questionaires with a resounding YES to symptoms, and ive asked for my testosterone to be checked.
 
When is it time to go TRT?
 
Any guys on TRT here and long term?
 
Any supporting supps? I understand NHS dont give a monkeys about HCG or anti aramitase, if so whats your experience?
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/04 11:05:15 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby PetesInbox 2018/06/04 11:13:29
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It can be easier to win the lottery than getting the NHS to prescribe TRT and it's a long drawn out process. If you're above 8 n/mol they'll most likely f*ck you off. The trouble is, is that most 60 year old's are probably higher than this.
 
I felt lethargic, anxious and a little down in the dumps for years and TRT has changed my life (I'm nearly 50 now). I feel so much better and I only wish I'd have started it earlier. Did many cycles when I was younger which obviously didn't help in the long run. 
 
Many self administer as test is so cheap. I do. Shouldn't need an AI on TRT levels. Some take HCG alongside and some don't. Again, I do as it keeps my nuts full and I feel much better than on test alone. 
 
TRT can be a life changer for the older gents and those who have f*cked themselves up after too many cycles for too long.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/04 11:19:04 (permalink)
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Thanks
 
I feel i need it.. in fact ive felt ive needed it since my teens as ive never been a woman eater, never got locker room banter, never been an *hole to women. Ive been a nice, soft, pudding of a man who got eaten by women.  Outside of that, ive never had the energy for sport, never had any get up and go, and the last three years i need major stimulants to make me do anything.. once i do im whizzing around doing allsorts, when i crash im back to square one
 
so unless i can keep stims for the workouts they wont happen.. then the stims wear off and im off the wagon again
 
Now im in my late 30's EVERYTHING is an effort and its affecting mood, relationships and work. Im tired all the time, never feel great even when i should, just feel crappy 24/7 - not in a depressed kind of way but a cant b bothered kind of way! Tired, nxiety through the roof, everything requiring load sof mental power im getting my tests done
 
Once they are happy i can go private if the doc doesnt do anything
 
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/04 11:23:48 (permalink)
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Sounds like TRT will do you a load of good. Good luck.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 13:10:16 (permalink)
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Results are in =   6.8nmol
 
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 15:11:28 (permalink)
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NHS should act on that, though expect a few more months of testing for uniformity.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 16:41:24 (permalink)
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With a level that low you should definately get treatment. I'm in a similar situation to you.

I'm 30 years old now. Felt really tired along with other symptoms for years and never thought much of it. Just thought I was a tired kind of person even though i get plenty of sleep etc.

Had a random blood test done around 3 years ago when I moved doctors. My thyroid level came back low, as did my testosterone level. Doctor put me on tablets for my thyroid and seemed to ignore the low testosterone level. After about a year on the thyroid medication I still felt exactly the same.

I questioned the low testosterone level and said that maybe that was causing all these symptoms I'd been having for years. Doctor didnt want to know at first, even went to see an endocrinologist and he was the same. He said that i should avoid drinking protein shakes "as they contain steroids". This was even after I had 3 or 4 bloods taken showing low testosterone.

Managed to see a new endocrinologist a couple of months ago who has diagnosed me with primary hypogonadism. Started me on testosterone gel at a tiny dose. Felt a bit better for the first couple of weeks, now feel worse than when I Started! At least I'm finally getting treatment now anyway, it's just a long drawn out process going through the NHS. Still a good few months of tests and appointments I guess until i get the right dose and levels etc.

One thing I would say is from my experience if you want to go down the NHS route you need to be quite stubborn, do your research and demand they help you (especially with levels as low as yours) as they don't seem overly willing to help and take months to do anything!

Hope this helps.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 17:31:01 (permalink)
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TRT is so cheap to run considering one 250mg ampule lasts 10 days to 2 weeks I don't know why people bother even going down the NHS route. At least the NHS stuff is legit rather than UG I suppose. Plenty of decent test around though.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 18:20:58 (permalink)
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Yeah I can see why alot of people just do it themselves! I've bought some test myself, had it here a couple of weeks just incase the NHS route goes to ****. The only reason I'm trying to keep going with the NHS is obviously because it's free and wont have to pay for blood tests etc. Don't know how much longer I can wait though until they actually put me on a decent dose. Speaking to the endo next week about switching to sustanon because the gels are just giving me an itch rash. Will have to see how that goes.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 18:55:57 (permalink)
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Just don't let them talk you into a 2 weekly injection of 250mg sust. Weekly injections are bad enough. Much prefer 60mg E3D subq for stable levels.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 21:26:58 (permalink)
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From reading up about TRT for ages I gathered the doctor would probably try and start me on injections every 2 weeks, read sometimes they even try and do once every 3 weeks!

Any advice on what to say to try and persuade him to let me take it every week instead?

Was thinking maybe just mention that i dont want my levels going up and down, increase in sides etc?

Thanks.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 22:40:21 (permalink)
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Give it a shot getting it from NHS. Personally I was surprised how easy it was to get on TRT with them

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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/07 23:55:28 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby PetesInbox 2018/06/08 07:05:59
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Or Dr savage in Doncaster is very good and a lot less expensive than London docs
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/08 06:36:06 (permalink)
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The endo may be dead set against allowing you to administer your own test. Just bull**** him. Tell him you were a  medic in the army donkey's years ago (even the Territorial Army (TA) will do) and know how to administer IM as you inoculated hundreds of squaddies going abroad. Or anything along those lines. Tell him you're fully aware of the half life of testosterones and the stability level issues that are caused when injections are too far apart. If it doesn't help, once you've been on a month or so go back and tell him you feel like sh1t and crash for the last few days before the next injection. Saying that he might even put you on Testogel which works well enough and keeps your test levels rock stable due to daily application. Testosterone gels may not be of any use for a cycle but they work very well for TRT.
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/08 07:07:58 (permalink)
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for anyone whos going downt the trt route and doesnt mind paying you can get a blood test online, send it back then they 'open shop' like a cannabis store in america! literally "what do you want"
 
i may do this as i can afford it, but liek you say, £30 for a blood test each time is a pain when i pay my taxes for NHS ANDI have medical insurance.  maybe i can get something private and refer to Dr Savage
 
I also have a graph that shows my test levels are the same as a 100 year old man - im goign to stick that in front of him and go - really?
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/10 20:39:47 (permalink)
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All women are entitled to HRT - why not men too?
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/11 13:48:58 (permalink)
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typical - NHS appointment two weeks away
 
then a bloodtest... then a week to wait for results...
then another blood test..
 
then no guarantee of anything
 
 
Im bloody tempted to go private i dunno how much longer i can bottom out at 6.8nmol :(
 
feel like crap cant sleep grumpy and titred... but i dont want to fudge the figures
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/11 19:25:31 (permalink)
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Might be worth having a lack of sleep the night before mate. Not sure how much difference it makes but test is highest after a nights sleep.

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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/11 19:54:14 (permalink)
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Yeah, and ill drink some gin too, alcohol kills it!
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Re: When to go TRT? 2018/06/19 15:47:16 (permalink)
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I've got an appointment with my GP this coming Thursday. One of my questions will be about TRT as I'm sure I need it. I'm 53 now and I endure fatigue on a regular basis, hot flashes, anxiety and headaches.
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