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2014/11/06 15:32:20 (permalink)

When to use an AI or AP?

How do you know when you as an individual will need to run an AI or AP (anti prolactin) on cycle?
 
People could easily end up buying everything possible after reading the forums "just to be on the safe side".
 
Discuss.
 
 
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/06 17:06:05 (permalink)
If you run an aromatisable hormone, likely need to use an AI.
Same for those that cause prolactin, use an AP.


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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/06 17:18:18 (permalink)
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If you run an aromatisable hormone, likely need to use an AI.
Same for those that cause prolactin, use an AP.




I'd disagree - without personal experience of a compound how will you know if it is going to cause problems unless you try it by itself first?
 
Just because dbol and test aromatise for example, doesn't mean you need an AI per se, but different people will need one at different doses of the steroid. Example - I'm fine to run test at up to 500mg per week with no AI, but at 750mg I need an AI as when used without it a gyno lump appeared, which I was then able to control and continue the cycle with nolva and an AI.
 
Same goes for caber and other anti prolactin meds - I'd argue the majority could run a m-dien cycle quite happily without, given the relatively low doses involved. Once you start looking at 500mg+ per week of deca or tren though it could be a different story. For some 500mg will be no problem, for others even 1g a week is fine.
 
We're all different.
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/06 18:14:56 (permalink)
As above really, use when needed or as a preventative if you already know you're prone.
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/07 09:17:02 (permalink)
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As above really, use when needed or as a preventative if you already know you're prone.




Bingo.
 
Don't use meds for the sake of it if you don't need too.

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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/07 12:13:47 (permalink)
I also agree.

What i was trying to was that you'd probably need to use an AI when the compound was wet and you needed to use an AI.

I was being sarcastic and short.

I mean, i wouldn't use an AI to paint an outside wall



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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/07 12:49:14 (permalink)
So what are the signs you may need to use one?  Waiting for a lump sounds a bit late to me.
 
Also getting the dosage right must be trial and error, as low oestrogen can be debilitating.
 
Does low prolactin cause any issues? 
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/07 13:39:39 (permalink)
Waiting for a lump isn't late at all, as you'd simply start to run either an AI or serm (or both) at that point to control and halt the lump's growth. The lump then disappears again and hey presto you crack on with your cycle.

IME it has taken around a week to ten days after commencing serm and/or AI dosing to stop the tenderness and for the hard lump to disappear completely. I've continued to run the cycle alongside and had no further probs on those cycles by continuing the AI/serm dosing alongside.
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/08 02:52:09 (permalink)
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/08 09:40:43 (permalink)
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Exactly.

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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/08 10:10:20 (permalink)
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Kaneda
As above really, use when needed or as a preventative if you already know you're prone.




Bingo.
 
Don't use meds for the sake of it if you don't need too.


That's it in a nutshell. Too many people using AI's and Nolva when on cycle. Keeping them on hand if any snags arise? Sure. Taking them from the onset of a cycle? That's just daft.
 
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/08 10:11:32 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/11/08 13:52:43
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Potatoes.

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Potatoes.
 
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/08 10:15:49 (permalink)
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Potatoes.
 
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/08 10:23:06 (permalink)
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Kaneda
As above really, use when needed or as a preventative if you already know you're prone.




Bingo.
 
Don't use meds for the sake of it if you don't need too.


That's it in a nutshell. Too many people using AI's and Nolva when on cycle. Keeping them on hand if any snags arise? Sure. Taking them from the onset of a cycle? That's just daft.
 


Agreed.

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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/08 21:06:21 (permalink)
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Kaneda
As above really, use when needed or as a preventative if you already know you're prone.




Bingo.
 
Don't use meds for the sake of it if you don't need too.


That's it in a nutshell. Too many people using AI's and Nolva when on cycle. Keeping them on hand if any snags arise? Sure. Taking them from the onset of a cycle? That's just daft.
 


I agree, but people have been brainwashed by the supplement industry into becoming hypochondriacs of sorts and taking everything and anything that might in any way help, even if it's never really been proven to work or if they don't need it at all even if it does.
 
In most steroid forums if you ask for help setting up a cycle people will give you a list of ancillaries that'll be more extensive (and expensive) than the list of gear itself. Hell even around here, when someone talks about using a designer or prohormone, it's almost a given that people will be using 3 different liver support meds even if they're taking like 30mg of epistane for a few weeks and the liver damage is comparable to a mcdonald's meal.
 
I understand there are lots of people using steroids without the slightest idea of what they're doing, then they get all sorts of negative side effects and give all steroid users a bad image of irresponsible drug addicts that'll throw away their organs for muscles if need be. But internet steroid users seem to be in the complete opposite end of the spectrum, people just don't seem to grasp the concept of moderation. Being smart about using a drug is knowing how much to use and when to add anything else. Throwing every ancillary on the book at it for every side effect that might happen no matter how low the probability is not smart, it's just anal.
post edited by Uriel - 2014/11/08 21:12:35
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/09 00:19:48 (permalink)
During my M-Dien cycle I developed a lump, sensitive nipples and loss of libido I started Nolva and the lump disappeared. I used an AP and my libido returned. No problems really as the issues were dealt with. I intend to do another m-Dien cycle starting in January and this time I will use something to control prolactin and progesterone from the start. I think it's a good idea to have the right meds on hand from the start even if you don't need to use them. Is it worth taking the chance in order to save money then finding out that you actually need them anyway? Prepare for worst case scenario first time around and then use your experience to gauge future cycles.

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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/09 13:56:34 (permalink)
^this.
Ounce of prevention etc.
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Re: When to use an AI or AP? 2014/11/09 15:06:58 (permalink)
Meds effect everyone differently...example:- I can run a 1g of test ew with no AI or SERM no probs, but my old training partner just looked at an amp of Sust n grew a pair of double D's.
 
When running Tren @ 500+mg's ew I keep my test down to 250-350mg's (let the Tren do the work) Control your oestrogen levels and you shouldn't have progesterone related problems.
 
You need Oestrogen to make the most of your gains, it took me 20 years to discover my own personal Oestrogen tolerances....So have a SERM and an AI to hand when you run your cycle, if you have any gyno sides run a SERM first and see what happens, if that doesn't sort it run the AI.
Why waste money on drugs that can be harsh on your body if you don't need them?
 

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