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2005/08/01 08:38:41 (permalink)
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Where to jab?

Hi guys!

I heard a lot of different opinions about where would be the best to inject gear, some says that shoulders a the best place cause affects muscles better, some says legs or bum. But really.....does it makes any differents where to inject? ,it goes into muscles anyway.
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    carnage
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    RE: Where to jab? 2005/08/01 09:22:01 (permalink)
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    no diff, bum is hardest to aspirate if its a 1 man injection job

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    RE: Where to jab? 2005/08/01 09:30:14 (permalink)
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    Different factors affect the bioavailability of a drug. There was a good study (pasted below) which showed that glute injections were better than the shoulders, in terms of absorption of the drug into the body.

    Vol. 281, Issue 1, 93-102, 1997


    Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects of Ester, Injection Site and Injection Volume
    Charles F. Minto, Christopher Howe, Susan Wishart, Ann J. Conway and David J. Handelsman

    Department of Anaesthesia and Pain Management, Royal North Shore Hospital (C.F.M.), and Andrology Unit, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Department of Medicine (C.H., S.W., A.J.C., D.J.H.), University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia



    We studied healthy men who underwent blood sampling for plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin measurements before and for 32 days after a single i.m. injection of 100 mg of nandrolone ester in arachis oil. Twenty-three men were randomized into groups receiving nandrolone phenylpropionate (group 1, n = 7) or nandrolone decanoate (group 2, n = 6) injected into the gluteal muscle in 4 ml of arachis oil vehicle or nandrolone decanoate in 1 ml of arachis oil vehicle injected into either the gluteal (group 3, n = 5) or deltoid (group 4, n = 5) muscles. Plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin concentrations were analyzed by a mixed-effects indirect response model. Plasma nandrolone concentrations were influenced (P < .001) by different esters and injection sites, with higher and earlier peaks with the phenylpropionate ester, compared with the decanoate ester. After nandrolone decanoate injection, the highest bioavailability and peak nandrolone levels were observed with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma testosterone concentrations were also influenced (P < .001) by the ester and injection site, with the most rapid, but briefest, suppression being due to the phenylpropionate ester, whereas the most sustained suppression was achieved with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma inhibin concentrations were also significantly influenced by injection volume and site, with the lowest nadir occurring after the nandrolone decanoate 1-ml gluteal injection. Thus, the bioavailability and physiological effects of a nandrolone ester in an oil vehicle are greatest when the ester is injected in a small (1 ml vs. 4 ml) volume and into the gluteal vs. deltoid muscle. We conclude that the side-chain ester and the injection site and volume influence the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in an oil vehicle in men.
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    RE: Where to jab? 2005/08/01 11:05:23 (permalink)
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    good article but does it mean, for delts, that the oil is slower released into the blood or some oil just not at all

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    RE: Where to jab? 2005/08/01 14:31:12 (permalink)
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    keep to your glutes/quads unless you need to do spot injections imo
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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/09/04 12:20:56 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: carnage

    good article but does it mean, for delts, that the oil is slower released into the blood or some oil just not at all


    Good question, Bump for a response.
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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/16 18:55:41 (permalink)
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    interesting ...

    bump


     
     
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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/16 19:25:22 (permalink)
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    just answered something similar on another post but, glute yeilds slightly bigger dose, but only slight in my oppinion. Legs are easy cos there right in front of ya(sat on the bed) although I tend to find the leg a bit vascular. I like the delts its a bit akward but you can play about with angles aslong as you gat the pin deep in the medial.

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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/17 00:20:32 (permalink)
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    When i was on my cycle, with me being pretty big chested, i struggled to twist round to get a decent site for my glute, so i stuck to quads and delts, and to be honest found this easy and effective.

    Has anyone eles had this problem?
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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/17 00:40:44 (permalink)
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    i'm not flexible enough to reach and inject comfortably in glutes so i stick to delts and tris


     
     
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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/17 02:36:38 (permalink)
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    glutes are weird, you can get a slight crap in your side when you twist and it feels uncomfortable.

    How many you inject into pecs?

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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/17 10:39:50 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Stone

    glutes are weird, you can get a slight crap in your side when you twist and it feels uncomfortable.

    How many you inject into pecs?


    I injected into pecs a couple of times. It's not that bad but you end up with the needle very close to your face which looks a little scary.

    I still haven't dared do a quad injection. Really need to though. Will greens be ok for quads?
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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/17 13:23:24 (permalink)
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    Greens are fine for quads.

    Cool, how did your pec feel after the shot? Im thinking of trying it in the future.

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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/17 14:29:28 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Stone

    Greens are fine for quads.

    Cool, how did your pec feel after the shot? Im thinking of trying it in the future.


    It just felt rather firm afterwards due to the fluid build up and was a slight numb pain for a couple of days but was fine training chest as it was just like a bruise. I went in about an inch above the nipple.

    Just make sure you stick it in quick and firm as pushing a pin slowly, that close to your face wouldn't be much fun.
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    RE: Where to jab? 2007/10/17 14:40:42 (permalink)
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    glutes are weird, you can get a slight crap in your side when you twist and it feels uncomfortable.


    Tend to get this too which is why I tend to stick to glutes and delts. Just wondered for those that do delt injections, how much at a time do you inject (I don't want to inject too much a risk an abcess forming).
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