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2009/07/17 14:00:30 (permalink)

Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?!

As title really...
 
Tren is is a 'very' good stroid to take for dry lean gains and immense strength increases as we all know, now I often hear of Tren to be an 'advanced' steroid and not for beginners? Can I ask why this is?
 
ALL steroids come with risks and sides, Tren perhaps comes with a few more than others, but just because you have done a few Test cycles in the past doesn't mean those Tren sides will be any more or less surely???
 
What I'm asking is, if you just want to take Tren as a first cycle as it fits in perfectly with your training goals, why would you be advised against it? Why, if you want lean, slightly slower, no bloat gains with awesome strength increases, why should that person have to endure a few bloaty test test/Decca/etc cycles before they get onto the steroid they always really wanted to be taking in the first place?!
 
Question arrises as quite a few of my mates telling me I'm talking sh1t about not taking it as a first cycle as they and many of their mates have with no problems! Close mate of mine is about 9 weeks into his first ever cycle and that's Tren and he's loving it with no probs...
 
This is a genuine question, I've looked about but not really seen any definitive answer to it?
 
Thanks in advance for any opinions!
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 14:46:03 (permalink)
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    As title really...
     
    Tren is is a 'very' good stroid to take for dry lean gains and immense strength increases as we all know, now I often hear of Tren to be an 'advanced' steroid and not for beginners? Can I ask why this is?
     
    ALL steroids come with risks and sides, Tren perhaps comes with a few more than others, but just because you have done a few Test cycles in the past doesn't mean those Tren sides will be any more or less surely???
     
    What I'm asking is, if you just want to take Tren as a first cycle as it fits in perfectly with your training goals, why would you be advised against it? Why, if you want lean, slightly slower, no bloat gains with awesome strength increases, why should that person have to endure a few bloaty test test/Decca/etc cycles before they get onto the steroid they always really wanted to be taking in the first place?!
     
    Question arrises as quite a few of my mates telling me I'm talking sh1t about not taking it as a first cycle as they and many of their mates have with no problems! Close mate of mine is about 9 weeks into his first ever cycle and that's Tren and he's loving it with no probs...
     
    This is a genuine question, I've looked about but not really seen any definitive answer to it?
     
    Thanks in advance for any opinions!


    If I had taken Tren for my first cycle it would have probably put me off steroids for life haha!  The reason its not advised for first cycles as it is probably the harshest steroid in terms of side effects for most people, me included.  I can take any other gear but tren is a nightmare for me.
    Loads of people love it though and claim they get no real sides(lucky bastards lol) so if your hearts set on giving it a try go ahead, use Tren Ace so if it doesnt agree with you its out your system quick and take a low dose.......
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 14:49:59 (permalink)
    Tren is considered an advanced steroid due to the powerful nature of it.  Bear in mind it was never intended for human use, medical literature documenting the effects/side effects is missing.

    Tren comes with a whole heap of side effects, side effects the user would neither be used to, nor expecting. Most of which can be suffered with other AAS like testosterone.  The difference being that testosterone is a natural steroid, and the one a new user is most likely to 'get on with'

    The side effects of Tren include, but are not limited to,
    Gyno (prolactin)
    increased aggression
    acne
    being out of breath
    disturbed pattern of sleep
    fina cough
    fina dick
    Severe shutdown of natural hormones (making recovery from a cycle longer and harder
    Severe testicular atrophy
    Allergic reaction

    I'm very fond of Tren.  Personally it's my favourite AAS but I wouldn't go reccommending it to a novice- that said I wouldn't flame a novice for using it.

    While Tren isn't a no-no persay for a first cycle, the novice would be well advised to start off with testosterone, or another anabolic
     


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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 14:50:38 (permalink)
    only sides i have are increased sweating
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 15:05:54 (permalink)
    Thanks guys, very helpful indeed.

    So Tren Ace, low dose to start with then gradually taper up would be recommended for a (wet gear) first timer?

    I'm very tempted with Test but I'm just so damn worried that I'm gonna be a big bloat ball!

    Would you say Test or Tren is worse for Gyno?? And which would be easier to control with an AI?
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 15:15:03 (permalink)
     If you use test then control estrogen with proviron or nolvo high intake of water/good nutrition then you won't have to worry about bloat lol

    If you are going to use test and tren together then you're going to have to run an AI as you will be at high risk of getting progesterone induced gyno. Adex controls my gyno at 0.5mgs e3d.

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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 15:18:58 (permalink)
    i onyl experienced night sweats during the 2 weeks no other sides, just massive strength increase and change body shape.
    cant wait for my second cycle this winter, after iv body lost as much BF as possible =D tren the bollox

    also, was using tren ace, with test cyp......no gyno atall and havent needed to use any AI, do have letro and nolva on hand though
    post edited by Bmxbandit - 2009/07/17 15:20:17
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 15:20:49 (permalink)
    test is more common to have gyno, but test gyno can be easily prevented in most cases, whereas Tren induced gyno is a lot more stuburn.

    IMO you really ought to have researched this already now, long before you wonder what ester of Tren to use, a decent read into the sides would be a prudent idea.


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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 15:47:45 (permalink)
    I used tren in my first cycle

    Generally it's not recommended for new users due to potential side effects. Anyone can use it though, as long as they know what they're doing


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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 16:11:50 (permalink)
    How did you get on with it buddy?

    Stacked with Test?
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 16:18:52 (permalink)
    Also, if you're going to make mistakes re dosing and getting carried away, diet etc you'll do it on the first few cycles, and hopefully like most people you will learn and get better.
     
    Very few people nail it right away, and some never. A very powerful drug like Tren isnt recommended for that reason as well IMO, as once you have made a few mistakes and learnt by your errors you are better equipped to use it.
     
    That said, if done properly there is nothing to stop a novice using it safely/ish.
     

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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 18:50:10 (permalink)
    now I often hear of Tren to be an 'advanced' steroid and not for beginners? Can I ask why this is?


    Not sure myself, but a lot of b/builders have a read up on steroids, do a couple of cycles and then consider themselves advanced users and able to withstand tren. Which in reality is b*llocks. All steroids should be treated with respect and what is harsh for one can be fine for another.







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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 21:20:38 (permalink)
    It isn't.
    Its the internet forum brigade again- normally the same ones who say never run an oral more than 6weeks and always have milk thistle to hand!


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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/17 22:38:58 (permalink)
    I must admit Tren is my fav I love my current cycle of
    Tren Ace and Sust you cant beat it for lean summer gains. For my winter cycle its Sust and Deca. To be honest you dont need any other compounds than this.
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2009/07/18 00:01:05 (permalink)
    tren  really aint  that potent at low dose, sides off 200ml or less are prob less than you would get  of 100mg oxy,jump up to over 400mg then thats when it aint that nice.
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2010/01/19 23:18:59 (permalink)
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    As title really...
     
    Tren is is a 'very' good stroid to take for dry lean gains and immense strength increases as we all know, now I often hear of Tren to be an 'advanced' steroid and not for beginners? Can I ask why this is?
     
    ALL steroids come with risks and sides, Tren perhaps comes with a few more than others, but just because you have done a few Test cycles in the past doesn't mean those Tren sides will be any more or less surely???
     
    What I'm asking is, if you just want to take Tren as a first cycle as it fits in perfectly with your training goals, why would you be advised against it? Why, if you want lean, slightly slower, no bloat gains with awesome strength increases, why should that person have to endure a few bloaty test test/Decca/etc cycles before they get onto the steroid they always really wanted to be taking in the first place?!
     
    Question arrises as quite a few of my mates telling me I'm talking sh1t about not taking it as a first cycle as they and many of their mates have with no problems! Close mate of mine is about 9 weeks into his first ever cycle and that's Tren and he's loving it with no probs...
     
    This is a genuine question, I've looked about but not really seen any definitive answer to it?
     
    Thanks in advance for any opinions!


    If I had taken Tren for my first cycle it would have probably put me off steroids for life haha!  The reason its not advised for first cycles as it is probably the harshest steroid in terms of side effects for most people, me included.  I can take any other gear but tren is a nightmare for me.
    Loads of people love it though and claim they get no real sides(lucky bastards lol) so if your hearts set on giving it a try go ahead, use Tren Ace so if it doesnt agree with you its out your system quick and take a low dose.......

     
    LITERALLY: THE ONLY Side effects i EVER experienced while on tren, was sweats & occiaional libido (limpness). but only ever so often. Other than that, i gained WHILE slicing up! it is THE best man made "enhancer" available (in my opinion)
     
    I do my conversion, but NEED something to go with it...ANY SUGGESTION GUYS? I am trying to figure out a best practice, in regards to what i need to get to stack with Fina.
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2010/01/19 23:41:35 (permalink)
    You can run tren at a low dose and sides are minimised.

    Im running 50mg winnie daily with 37.5mg tren ace eod,no sides in the slightest .Ive made the mistake in the past of running tren too high and suffered for it.

    Ive hardened up very quickly and strengths increasing even though i`m dieting so i`m pleased with results so far..
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2010/01/20 06:52:16 (permalink)
    The reasons so many people say it's not for a first time user is because they've heard other people on internet forums say so. Most people who say this probably dont have any other reasoning except for this. In my opinion there is far too many 'internet rules' about steroids, which if you ask for real life opinions they are totally different.

    There is absolutely no reason why tren, or any other steroid for that matter, cannot be used as a first cycle.

    You will hear the internet rule that tren ace should be used before enanthate!!  Bullsihte again. Tren enth has much fewer sides.

    Also, you will hear the internet rule that it must be stacked with test!! Why? If someone wants the results of tren alone then go for it. It is an excellent stand-alone med that gives brilliant results.

    There are too many sheep on the internet. People with little knowledge just repeating crap info.
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2010/01/20 08:06:37 (permalink)
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    Re:Why is Tren considered an 'advanced' steroid?! 2010/01/20 08:17:56 (permalink)
    sgsgsg

    The reasons so many people say it's not for a first time user is because they've heard other people on internet forums say so. Most people who say this probably dont have any other reasoning except for this. In my opinion there is far too many 'internet rules' about steroids, which if you ask for real life opinions they are totally different.

    There is absolutely no reason why tren, or any other steroid for that matter, cannot be used as a first cycle.

    You will hear the internet rule that tren ace should be used before enanthate!!  Bullsihte again. Tren enth has much fewer sides.

    Also, you will hear the internet rule that it must be stacked with test!! Why? If someone wants the results of tren alone then go for it. It is an excellent stand-alone med that gives brilliant results.

    There are too many sheep on the internet. People with little knowledge just repeating crap info.


    Are you talking from experience??? Mate Iv done tren alone cycles and yes had great results.. But come time for sex your dick is as good as dead! so be easy on your comments mate.. The advise given to newbies is for their safety mate.. If you dont care much about your sex life then please go ahead run a tren alone cycle with No test and enjoy having a great body with no dick,,,,
     
    Secondly please take it easy on your comments about the sheep thing.. We all started for somewhere.. True one must do there own research but sometime people need to ask questions even if the question has been repeated 10000000000 times NO ONE ASKED YOU TO ANSWER IT!! MT is a board to help advise and guide learn and develop our knowledge..
     
    Go easy on the attitude bro there's absolutly no reason for it.. If you cant be bothered to answer a question DONT but DONT knock newbies mate cus once upon a time YOU WERE!!
     
    bro not trying to dig at you but I think I have a point.. You dont like the question Dont get involed. People here respect members who care to share..
     
    just go easy on the hard talk thats NOT what MTs about..
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