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Why protein - question for JAMES

In your pamplet you mention Whey raising insulin.
When i consume whey i become sick. having whey with some food does help. My face feels hot and i get very tired. Is this in responce to insulin or just whey and i not getting along?

I have tried many brands of whey and im just toughing it out. but i must admit i feel awful after whey.
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    RE: Whey protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/12 22:21:19 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: CoVetous

    In your pamplet you mention Whey raising insulin.
    When i consume whey i become sick. having whey with some food does help. My face feels hot and i get very tired. Is this in responce to insulin or just whey and i not getting along?

    I have tried many brands of whey and im just toughing it out. but i must admit i feel awful after whey.
    Dextrose/glucose also raises insulin. If dextrose/glucose also makes you feel sick, hot & tired, then it's high insulin that's the problem. Otherwise, I haven't a clue!
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/12 23:13:25 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: CoVetous

    In your pamplet you mention Whey raising insulin.
    When i consume whey i become sick. having whey with some food does help. My face feels hot and i get very tired. Is this in responce to insulin or just whey and i not getting along?

    I have tried many brands of whey and im just toughing it out. but i must admit i feel awful after whey.


    The fact that whey is causing you to produce insulin, But (assuming) you are not consuming any carbs this could mean your blood sugar level is dropping low enough to produce symtems of hypoglycemia.
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/13 00:04:10 (permalink)
    Good point ink. I didn't think of that. CoVetous, how long does it take between eating/drinking whey and your symptoms starting?
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/13 00:13:28 (permalink)
    Begins in about 10 minutes end in about an hour. About half way through i begin feeling terrible. I even get sleepy but feel to sick to sleep. I have tried so many brands of why that now i just say fack it, and wait for the pain, i figure its better for me in the end anyway.

    I really dont eat any sugars. Almost no fruit maybe 1 bananna per day, and maybe a bagel before training. Sometimes i have oats in the morning. through the day im a protein whore. eating around 400-500g protein. I eat zero grams of processed sugar. Only substitutes.

    I know this is bad, and im working on it. I am trying to be somewhat ketogenic. its cutting time after all. I have started adjusting to a diet toxic posted.
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/13 12:49:05 (permalink)
    Definately sounds like symtoms of hypo. IMO ditch the bagel pre-workout and go for a lower G.I carb source like oats, this should hopefully ensure a steady blood glucose level without raisng insulin levels too much.
    PWO, I think you should have a small amount of glucose. If your showing sysmtoms of hypoglycemia you really need carbs, having whey in such a state will just result in the amino being converted to glucose.
    In general I think you should have some low G.I carbs throughout the day, you can still cut effectively on a small amount of carbs
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/13 15:41:56 (permalink)
    Hmmm. I dunno. When I had an Insulin Stress Test in May and was injected with 10 units of fast-acting insulin, it took a good 2 hours before I became hypoglycaemic. 10 minutes seems too quick for hypo to set in. Hyperinsulinaemia can cause a warm, sleepy feeling though, which is why I asked CoVetous whether glucose had the same effect. However, as he doesn't take glucose, it's impossible to say.
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/13 15:45:25 (permalink)
    also symptoms are dizzy, confusion, blurred vision, lethargy, feeling weak, shaking.

    If it is low blood sugar, then up your carbs prior to training including all meals in the day prior to keep glycogen reserves higher.

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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/13 16:08:15 (permalink)
    My face feels hot and i get very tired.

    I get the same thing! I thought I was the only one
    I also get a feeling of heaviness in my chest, and feel sort of drunk, or like I've got flu or something. strange......

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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/13 16:32:43 (permalink)
    The feeling associated with an insulin surge (large carb meal) and hypoglycemia are quite distinct IMO. The first I attribute to an increase in melatonin levels due to insulin storing action on L-phenylalanine and L-tyrosine, leaving blood concentration of L-tryptophan higher than normal and freer to cross the blood-brain barrier. This is actually a mildly euphoric feeling IMO.
    Hypoglycemia, through or carb restriction, or long enough duration anaerobic training is quite a sickly feeling, if I get it it includes cold sweats, mild shakiness its definately not a nice sensation.
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/14 00:11:24 (permalink)
    I get very very tierd after any pure suger like dex, which means I stick to a bannana or some Low GI carbs in my PWO. I dont really get it from whey though.
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/14 18:05:49 (permalink)
    Co - post a food and symtoms diet here please prospectively - ie write down what you are eating for a few days with times and any symptoms with times - please try to be clear with the symptoms.

    I will then solve this problem for you

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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/14 20:51:58 (permalink)
    could be the lactose..
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/20 02:48:16 (permalink)
    James, here is my food intake for the last couple of days, I know its not allot of food but im cutting and trying to maintain...

    Supplements

    • Taurine
    • Potassium
    • Multivitamin
    • Calcium
    • Fiber
    • Milk thistle
    • Flax oil
    • Fish oil


    Thursday

    11am
    • 4miles cardio
    12pm
    • 100g oats in milk
    • 2large eggs
    3pm
    • 6 egg whites
    • 2egg yolks.
    • 1 bagel - http://thomas.gwbakeries.com/product.cfm/upc/4812125505
    o Key Info: Calories: 270, Total Fat: 2g, Carbs: 50g, Protein: 13g, Fiber 8g
    3:30pm
    • 50g protein from whey with water.
    o 3:45 – stomach pain
    o 4:00 – feeling very hot, sleepiness, and nausea
    o 4:20 – 16ounce glass of water stomach pain increase.
    o 4:40 – Not feeling too bad.
    o 4:50 – feeling alright.
    5pm
    • Weightlifting 1hr
    6:30pm
    • Chicken breast skinless
    • 50g basmati rice
    • 15g carrots uncooked
    • 50g broccoli uncooked.
    • 10 egg whites
    9:00pm
    • 4 whole eggs
    • 50g whey protein in milk
    o 9:45 – stomach pain and feeling very nauseous
    o 10 – Very tired.
    o 10:30 – slight discomfort.
    o 11:00 – still feeling odd, but not terrible like before.
    • Small peach or apple
    11:00pm
    • 2mile jog
    12:00am
    • 200g cottage cheese fat free


    Friday

    12:30pm
    • 100g oats in water
    • 2 large whole eggs
    3:30pm
    • 50g whey protein in water
    o 3:50 headache and stomach pain begins
    o 4:30 stomach pain very bad. Feel like vomiting
    o Also noticed I feel bloated
    6:00pm
    • 4 ounce red snapper grilled
    • 2 jumbo grilled shrimp
    • 30g beans
    • 30g rice
    • 50g guacamole
    • 60 ounce tea no sugar
    9:00pm
    • 4 ounce red snapper grilled.
    • 2 jumbo shrimp
    • 30g beans
    • 4 eggs whole
    12:00pm
    • Cottage cheese with chives
    • 25g beef jerky home made and very lean

    Saturday

    12:00am
    • 1 hr cardio
    1:30pm
    • Bagel with 4 table spoons peanut butter
    • 3 eggs whole
    • 16 ounce glass of skin milk
    2:15pm
    • Sandwich
    o 80g slice lean turkey
    o 4 egg whites
    o Whole grain bread
    o Olives and fat free mayo
    3:30pm
    • Weight training
    5:00pm
    • 8 ounce steak
    8:00pm
    • 8 egg whites
    • 2 albacore steaks 16ounce
    • 80g basmati rice whole grain
    • Olives
    11:00pm
    • Beef jerky 50g

    Monday

    11am
    • 5 eggs
    • 100g oats in milk with 2 eggs
    2pm
    • 100g chicken breast
    • 100g mixed carrots and broccoli
    5pm
    • 1 bagel
    • 4 tablespoons peanut butter
    6:30pm
    • Train
    8:30pm
    • 250g chicken breast
    • 100g mixed carrots and broccoli
    11pm
    • Tin of tuna
    • 8 egg whites
    1am
    • 50g dried beef

    Tuesday

    12pm
    • 4miles cardio
    1:30pm
    • 10 eggs (6 whites, 4 yolks)
    • Mixed veggies
    • Bagel
    4pm
    • 75g chicken breast
    • 4 eggs whole
    • 500ml soy milk
    5pm
    • Peanut butter on celery 4 sticks
    • 1 small apple
    6:30pm
    • Train
    8pm
    • 275g chicken breast
    • 4 eggs whole
    • 247ml skim milk
    • 150g mixed veggies (broccoli and carrots)
    11pm
    • 2miles cardio
    1am
    • 50g dried beef
    • 100g cottage cheese

    Wednesday

    (added more carbs in previous days –trying whey again)

    1pm
    • 250ml skim milk/250mg soymilk
    • 4 eggs whole
    • 400g watermelon
    • Bagel
    • 100g Mixed veggies
    4pm
    • 8 egg whites
    • 50g brown basmati rice
    • 1 banana
    6pm
    • 50g protein whey
    o 6:30pm – headache
    o 7:30pm headache is worse
    o 7:30pm stomach ache
    o 7:30pm feeling tired
    6:30pm
    • 100g mixed veggies
    • 150g tuna steak
    • 4 egg whites
    post edited by CoVetous - 2006/07/20 02:50:23
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/21 12:10:51 (permalink)
    bump for james
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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/21 15:38:25 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ink


    Hypoglycemia, through or carb restriction, or long enough duration anaerobic training is quite a sickly feeling, if I get it it includes cold sweats, mild shakiness its definately not a nice sensation.


    Agree with that. I went hypo once and the nausea was horrible, could not focus, shakes etc. Awful experience as i was driving at the time. I wont be lowering carbs that low again. Funny as a sugary drink had me right as rain within minutes.



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    RE: Why protein - question for niggepoo 2006/07/21 17:15:04 (permalink)
    Hi mate

    Try a few things and then report back please:

    Lose the bagals and replace them with a granary roll
    Do not conusme the stalks of brocolli - only eat the florett bit
    Make sure your peanut butter is smooth not crunchy
    Avoid all pulses and seeds and anything with 'bits' in it
    make sure you eat low GI carbs in small amounts 3-4 hourly and avoid high GI carbs
    Drink plenty of water

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    RE: Why protein - question for JAMES 2006/07/21 21:12:16 (permalink)
    I will do as instructed james, but im curious whats wrong with the stalks of brocolli ?

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    RE: Why protein - question for JAMES 2006/07/21 21:35:32 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: CoVetous

    I will do as instructed james, but im curious whats wrong with the stalks of brocolli ?

    Usually there is nothing wrong with them, but they can be an irritant fibre (like pulses, nuts, seeds and bits) which I want you to avoid as an experiment for now

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    RE: Why protein - question for JAMES 2006/07/21 22:01:31 (permalink)
    Not to mention the obvious but have you tried checking your blood sugar levels before and say 10mins after taking the whey? You can definitly rule out whether it is related to the blood sugar levels.
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