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2006/07/16 10:40:31 (permalink)
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Why wait???

Ok here is a question for you guys, please base your answers on personal experience rather than knowledge that you have acumalated.

First of all the background to my question is that I have been training for a couple of years, I am no where near my genetic potential, I am making gains but they are slow (actualy they are probably average, as its a slow process). I stick to a strict diet and train consistently. To give you some idea of where I am, I have 15.5" arms, 42.5" Chest. Im 82.4Kg as of this morning. As for BF, im not sure, its certainly not low, but im not a Fat B*****rd either LOL

I have posted here a few times before, trying to guage if I should get on the gear, some said yes, others said not yet. I think the general consenous was that I hadnt been training long enough and that I should exhaust natural gains before switching to gear... this all made sense at the time.

Since then I have been reading posts here and books etc elsewhere. It seems that in most books they recon on 5-10lbs of lean muscle a year is a realistic (and good) amount to gain. They also say it takes 4-5 years to produce a good phyique. So that works out to a total gain of say 25 - 50 lbs.

Now when I read posts here I always hear figures of 20lbs by week 6-8 of a cycle!!! so if thats true, then 1 or 2 cycles would put me near enough at my genetic potential.


OK here come the questions!!!

1. is 20lbs a cycle realistic??? I dont mean is it achievable, i simply mean is it common? Is it normal? How much did YOU gain?

2. If 1-2 cycles would put me at my genetic potential then why is the general advice to wait until im at that point before beginning? I know these things arnt good for you but it dosnt seem like you need much to get you there.


Thanks in advance guys
post edited by bdadavies - 2006/07/16 10:45:18
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    POWERHOUSE585
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    RE: Why wait??? 2006/07/16 13:21:02 (permalink)
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    my question is
    how old are u

    also reported gains ov 20lbs is very common but most ov this is nt muscle
    a good gain from cycle is around 3-5lbs
    first cycle could yield upto 6-8lbs gain net muscle
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    RE: Why wait??? 2006/07/16 13:42:13 (permalink)
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    im 28
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    RE: Why wait??? 2006/07/16 16:33:36 (permalink)
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    i very doubt you'll get to genetic potention in 2 cycles - I've done 3 cycles:

    gained 5kg muscle, lost 3.5% body fat (prop/tren/winny)
    gained 5kg muscle, gained 3.5% body fat (enan/deca/dbol)
    gained over 6kg muscle, lost about 1% body fat (prop/tren/winny)

    (all measures after PCT etc, all 8-10 weeks, time off = time on _ pct)

    I'm nowhere near genetic potential, just doing juice to get where I wanna be quicker.

    My advice: go for it mate - do a cycle and see what gains you can make!

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    RE: Why wait??? 2006/07/16 16:44:41 (permalink)
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    In all honesty if you have been training for a few years, you are over 21, and have a good training regime then if you decide you want to go on AAS then I don't see a big problem with it. There is only one thing then I think you should very seriously consider. That is your DIET. Make sure it is spot on - I'm not talking about cleanliness of the diet, I'm talking about the right proteins, fats, and carbs at the right times and the right amounts and the right variety etc etc etc. Get this sorted first and you will not only see gains beforee AAS use increase, but you will maximise your gains while using AAS.

    never underestimate the importance of correct nutrition!

    mcl
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    RE: Why wait??? 2006/07/16 17:17:31 (permalink)
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    Agree with MCL

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    RE: Why wait??? 2006/07/16 17:21:37 (permalink)
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    Hi mate

    Mad-cereal-lover is hit it on the head, over the years ive ballooned up to 18stone eating big but not clean and accumulating an immense amount of fat with a 44in waist, but was strong as hell. Now ive hit the nail on the head with dieting and nutrition and ive never looked better, or felt better. Im probably at 11-12% at 13.5 stone fat has went up a notch as im on gh and slin, me thinks probably water. Eating clean however aint cheap I probably spend just under £300 a month on grub but worth the investment.

    R

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    RE: Why wait??? 2006/07/16 17:24:04 (permalink)
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    300 p/m on food, f**k me thats a lot LOL

    I do eat clean and eat 6 times a day, am pretty happy with my diet really. (but i dont spend anywhere near that much!!!)
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