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2015/03/11 00:56:22 (permalink)
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Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss?

Apologies if something similar has been posted!

My hair was already starting to thin before I took Anavar. I noticed Anavar accelerated the hair loss. I have now been on Propecia for roughly a year without having used Anavar, and I am content with the thickness of the hair. However, I would like to do another cycle on Anavar. I keep finding mixed answers with regards to the combination of Anavar and Propecia. I plan on taking Propecia for the foreseeable future. Whilst on Propecia, will Anavar cause even faster hairloss? Will Propecia combat the effect of this hairloss from the Anavar? Does Propecia have any affect on Anavar at all?

Again, I apologise if this issue has already been tackled.
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Re: Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss? 2015/03/11 05:59:21 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby The_Lone_Wolf 2015/03/11 09:35:33
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Anavar is already 'reduced' so is unaffected either way by finasteride/propecia. It will exert it's effect (anabolically & androgenically) irrespective of the presence of finasteride. That said, var is a weak androgen so my guess is that you have a very high susceptability to male pattern baldness and any steroid will exacerbate it (albeit to a lesser degree from low androgenics such as var).  Fina does not put you in the clear as far as MPB goes, it simply inhibits a dihydro conversion of androgens that are liable (such as testosterone). DHT is very harmful to the hairline in those prone to MPB, which is the reason you take fina, but let's not forget that testosterone in itself is reasonably androgenic in itself, irrespective of the 5-ar conversion (which you largely inhibit with fina). So, bottom line is if you are prone to MPB, and especially if highly prone as it would appear here, you WILL lose your hair over time, finasteride or no finasteride. Using (any) steroids will accelerate the rate of loss (though obviously some are worse than  others in that regard).

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Re: Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss? 2015/03/14 07:44:38 (permalink)
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Its unusual for var but as PB said above if you are prone you may get it.
 
Something to add to the equation is that var is very heavily faked and often substituted with winstrol which can whip your hair off quicker than Edward Scissorhands!
 
I got some Fuerza var about 18 months ago and knew straight away it was not var. Had it tested and sure enough it was winstrol

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Re: Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss? 2015/03/19 19:18:04 (permalink)
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Really good posts above.
 
If your susceptible to MPB, I would use as a matter of course Azelaic Acid, Spironolactone (topical) and Nizoral (which contains the active ingredient ketoconazole) .  All have been proven to be potent DHT inhibitors in the scalp.
 
These medications will not, IMO stop hair loss all together, but will slow the process down significantly.  Of course it is a bit of a 'ball ache' implementing this regime on a regular basis, but if you value your hair then the pros outweigh the cons.
 
One other thing to note is that different steroids have a different effects on people, some people are more MPB sensitive than others.
 
 
 

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Re: Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss? 2015/03/20 09:07:22 (permalink)
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Yeah I read that about Winstrol & it's a common ingredient in fake Var.

Thecode - how do you use that regime? I put styling wax on my hair, so how would the regime work around that?

I've got a full head of hair at 38, and a few cycles including Winny never affected it, but want to keep it that way!

More of a concern now I've started TRT, but wouldn't Propecia negate some of the better libido TRT has produced, through less DHT in my system?
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Re: Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss? 2015/03/20 17:13:43 (permalink)
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Thecode - how do you use that regime? I put styling wax on my hair, so how would the regime work around that?

I've got a full head of hair at 38, and a few cycles including Winny never affected it, but want to keep it that way!

More of a concern now I've started TRT, but wouldn't Propecia negate some of the better libido TRT has produced, through less DHT in my system?



There is no set regime, you can include these medications and see what suits you best. 
Here are some examples:
 
A.M Mix Topical Spiro with Nizoral shampoo and wash hair, leave for 30 minutes and wash out.
P.M Apply Azelaic Acid 30 minutes before sleep.
or
A.M Wash hair with Nizoral, dry then apply Azelaic Acid
P.M Apply topical Spiro 30 minutes before sleep
 
Note: Apply hair gel as normal, but allow the medications (Spiro or Azelaic Acid) to seep into the scalp.
 
These are just a few protocols, see what works and suits you best.
 
Here are a few studies that will give you a general idea of how they can be effective:
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2972662 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3207614
http://vipadenievolos.ru/files/research/ketokonazole/Ketoconazole_Shampoo_Study.pdf
 
 If you are on TRT, suffer from MPB, then Finasteride is always a good thing, but as mentioned will generally work for Testosterone, any other compounds you use will have zero effect, which is why the above regime will help.
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495375
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/hair-loss-pdf/finasteride-doses.pdf
 
 
post edited by thecodehaseyes - 2015/03/20 17:24:22

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Re: Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss? 2015/03/20 17:37:34 (permalink)
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Here is some info on DHT
http://finasteridesyndrome.blogspot.co.uk/p/dht-role.html
 
Particularly of interest :
 
Men in andropause ("menopausal" in men) have a high level of DHT and estrogen and mean level of testosterone, as well as a higher level of prolactin. Young men have a "low" level of DHT and estrogen, high testosterone and low levels of prolactin. After ejaculation, at any age, prolactin level in the brain rapidly rises, causing lack of sexual interest at that time. 
 
The body, to maintain balance and sex drive, increases the level of DHT everytime the estrogen level increases. They are interconnected. The excess testosterone is converted into DHT and estradiol at similar levels. So, to make it clear: In men, DHT has the effect of enhancing libido and estrogen inhibits libido (because the last is linked to prolactin in the brain).
 
When using TRT, it's up to your doctor and endocrinologist to determine how they can control your Estradiol wiith medications and blood tests. So if you decide to take Finasteride and is using TRT go and see the doctor.
 
I am no expert on this subject, PB is more knowledgeable in this area.
 
On that note I have used 1mg Finasteride ED with no sex drive issues.

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Re: Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss? 2015/03/20 21:00:08 (permalink)
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Thecode - how do you use that regime? I put styling wax on my hair, so how would the regime work around that?

I've got a full head of hair at 38, and a few cycles including Winny never affected it, but want to keep it that way!

More of a concern now I've started TRT, but wouldn't Propecia negate some of the better libido TRT has produced, through less DHT in my system?



There is no set regime, you can include these medications and see what suits you best. 
Here are some examples:
 
A.M Mix Topical Spiro with Nizoral shampoo and wash hair, leave for 30 minutes and wash out.
P.M Apply Azelaic Acid 30 minutes before sleep.
or
A.M Wash hair with Nizoral, dry then apply Azelaic Acid
P.M Apply topical Spiro 30 minutes before sleep
 
Note: Apply hair gel as normal, but allow the medications (Spiro or Azelaic Acid) to seep into the scalp.
 
These are just a few protocols, see what works and suits you best.
 
Here are a few studies that will give you a general idea of how they can be effective:
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2972662 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3207614
http://vipadenievolos.ru/files/research/ketokonazole/Ketoconazole_Shampoo_Study.pdf
 
 If you are on TRT, suffer from MPB, then Finasteride is always a good thing, but as mentioned will generally work for Testosterone, any other compounds you use will have zero effect, which is why the above regime will help.
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10495375
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/hair-loss-pdf/finasteride-doses.pdf
 
 




Thanks mate. You know what would seem to fit me best, is to shower and wash my hair before bed (washing out the hair gel) and then applying all the hairloss products.
 
I don't use much wax/gel, but I'd feel unless the hairloss products were put and left on clean hair for many hours, they wouldn't be working as well as they could.
 
As the hairloss regimes are very long term - the 'can't be a*sed factor' is very high - you know what people are like with wanting feedback benefits for something that's an a*se ache :D Therefore I feel I'd need to really buy into them being applied on clean hair... or I'd bin using them after a couple of weeks :D
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Re: Will Anavar exacerbate hair loss? 2015/03/20 21:01:42 (permalink)
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Here is some info on DHT
http://finasteridesyndrome.blogspot.co.uk/p/dht-role.html
 
Particularly of interest :
 
Men in andropause ("menopausal" in men) have a high level of DHT and estrogen and mean level of testosterone, as well as a higher level of prolactin. Young men have a "low" level of DHT and estrogen, high testosterone and low levels of prolactin. After ejaculation, at any age, prolactin level in the brain rapidly rises, causing lack of sexual interest at that time. 
 
The body, to maintain balance and sex drive, increases the level of DHT everytime the estrogen level increases. They are interconnected. The excess testosterone is converted into DHT and estradiol at similar levels. So, to make it clear: In men, DHT has the effect of enhancing libido and estrogen inhibits libido (because the last is linked to prolactin in the brain).
 
When using TRT, it's up to your doctor and endocrinologist to determine how they can control your Estradiol wiith medications and blood tests. So if you decide to take Finasteride and is using TRT go and see the doctor.
 
I am no expert on this subject, PB is more knowledgeable in this area.
 
On that note I have used 1mg Finasteride ED with no sex drive issues.




Very cool, cheers Thecode, very much appreciated :))
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