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2011/03/29 12:19:48 (permalink)
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Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May?

'Mainstream UK media confused over implications of statutory regulation of herbalists'
http://www.anh-europe.org...gulation-of-herbalists
 
Unlike people have read on Metro, the UK is going to accept EU regulation of banning OTC herbs products, UNLESS they were prescribed by qualified herbalists.
Herbs which have 30 years of safe usage history would be allowed to sell, but 15 of 30 got to be in europe. And one would need to pay a fortune to register any herb product to make it legal. Currently there are only less than 100 herbs fit that regulation so all other herb products should be disappeared after 1st May from open store.
 
Which means, you probably won't get products anymore unless you got prescription from a herbalist.... No more liv.52, DTH, cycle support, ....

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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:24:44 (permalink)
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    Certainly Tribulus and Milk Thistle are included in this and products containing these  , We can no longer sell to trade after 30th April but retailers will be able to continue to sell stock they have until the expiry date .
     
     
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:25:25 (permalink)
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    utterly stupid law, another way of ensuring they can add tax to products, or force people into using traditional pharma medicines..
     
    i hate the EU
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:27:02 (permalink)
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    i hate the EU

     
    Not as much as I do, at least you don't have to do an exam in EU law tomorrow! :D

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:28:56 (permalink)
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    Crazy.
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:33:03 (permalink)
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    so now a lotta websites will suffer, especially holland and barret!
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:35:04 (permalink)
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    WTF is this?!?!?
     
    But if a dietery supplement is sold as that, I.e it is not sold as a herbal medicine any anything of the sort, would that not be legal??
     
    A test booster is not a medicinal product.
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:37:20 (permalink)
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    Vibora

    WTF is this?!?!?

    But if a dietery supplement is sold as that, I.e it is not sold as a herbal medicine any anything of the sort, would that not be legal??

    A test booster is not a medicinal product.

     
    After April 30th they will be re-classified as medicinal herbs by the MHRA in line with the directive
     
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:38:36 (permalink)
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    this is honestly one of the most stupid, uneducated things i have ever heard being passed as a law....
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:40:56 (permalink)
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    and if people cant get testboosters... i guess ill just have to run more illegal steroids! jokes, but seriously, its frustrating
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:44:45 (permalink)
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    I suppose I'm not that shocked by this as some of you are because the regulation of over the counter herbal products in Ireland is already outrageous. St. John's Wort was reclassified as a POM years ago here and they have classified anything containing over a certain amount of Vitamin B as medicinal, and as a result you cannot buy NO Xplode or Superpump250 over the counter here. It's a joke, and this new regulation seems to just be an extension of this and all just part of the EU's idealistic harmonisation scheme.
     
    I suppose it's bad news for people who can't find an underground source but for those who can, I'm sure it will just mean milk thistle will be one more thing to buy from their source if running an oral cycle. It will probably be cheaper that way anyway.

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:46:02 (permalink)
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    I suppose I'm not that shocked by this as some of you are because the regulation of over the counter herbal products in Ireland is already outrageous. St. John's Wort was reclassified as a POM years ago here and they have classified anything containing over a certain amount of Vitamin B as medicinal, and as a result you cannot buy NO Xplode or Superpump250 over the counter here. It's a joke, and this new regulation seems to just be an extension of this and all just part of the EU's idealistic harmonisation scheme.

    I suppose it's bad news for people who can't find an underground source but for those who can, I'm sure it will just mean milk thistle will be one more thing to buy from their source if running an oral cycle. It will probably be cheaper that way anyway.

     
    Mate you want to see the hoops you have to jump through out here to start up a supplement company.
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:50:15 (permalink)
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    WTF is this?!?!? 
    But if a dietery supplement is sold as that, I.e it is not sold as a herbal medicine any anything of the sort, would that not be legal?? 
    A test booster is not a medicinal product. 
     
    After April 30th they will be re-classified as medicinal herbs by the MHRA in line with the directive 
    Wurz 
     
     
    Does this only count for supplements that have "herbal ingredients"?
     
    For instance, If I wanted to bring out a new fat loss supp, it would be illegal to have a sida cordifolia supp, but I could bring out something like Yohimbine Hcl as it is a synthetic compound???
    post edited by Vibora - 2011/03/29 12:55:51
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:53:30 (permalink)
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    CitizenKane

    I suppose I'm not that shocked by this as some of you are because the regulation of over the counter herbal products in Ireland is already outrageous. St. John's Wort was reclassified as a POM years ago here and they have classified anything containing over a certain amount of Vitamin B as medicinal, and as a result you cannot buy NO Xplode or Superpump250 over the counter here. It's a joke, and this new regulation seems to just be an extension of this and all just part of the EU's idealistic harmonisation scheme.

    I suppose it's bad news for people who can't find an underground source but for those who can, I'm sure it will just mean milk thistle will be one more thing to buy from their source if running an oral cycle. It will probably be cheaper that way anyway.


    Mate you want to see the hoops you have to jump through out here to start up a supplement company.

     
    Probably a good thing in many ways though, if you are a supplement-sceptic like me!

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:53:57 (permalink)
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    CitizenKane

    I suppose I'm not that shocked by this as some of you are because the regulation of over the counter herbal products in Ireland is already outrageous. St. John's Wort was reclassified as a POM years ago here and they have classified anything containing over a certain amount of Vitamin B as medicinal, and as a result you cannot buy NO Xplode or Superpump250 over the counter here. It's a joke, and this new regulation seems to just be an extension of this and all just part of the EU's idealistic harmonisation scheme.

    I suppose it's bad news for people who can't find an underground source but for those who can, I'm sure it will just mean milk thistle will be one more thing to buy from their source if running an oral cycle. It will probably be cheaper that way anyway.


    Mate you want to see the hoops you have to jump through out here to start up a supplement company.


    Probably a good thing in many ways though, if you are a supplement-sceptic like me!

     
    Ill PM you...
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 12:55:10 (permalink)
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    Does this only count for supplements that have "herbal ingredients"?

    For instance, If I wanted to bring out a new fat loss supp, it would be illegal to have a sida cordifolia supp, but I could bring out something like Yohimbine Hcl as it is a synthetic compound???

     
    it depends if its banned already , Yohimbine is already not legal here in the UK has been for quite sometime . Test Boosters that escape are ones based on non medicinal herbs such as Testofen as it is a fenugreek extract so classified as a food herb . If they banned that it would mean banning curry's so is not likely to happen
     
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 14:13:15 (permalink)
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    depends on test boosters' ingradients I guess. 
    Diesel testo hardcore definitely has to go, too many things in there. AI Testopro might survive, but Perfrom will not. Testo Jack 100 will not either. And I think only one species of tribulus is legal so some mix tribulus products might go.
     
    I am Chinese ethinity and I found this rule not only annoying but also xenophobic. Herbs used in India or China for thousand yr would not be considered as safe unless it has been used in europe for 15 yr, and people need to pay a lot to get it registered, which never happen in the past 6 yr since Germany firstly introduced this rule.
     
    So it would be a funny situation: you can't buy liv.52 anymore but you can buy M-drol.
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 14:48:09 (permalink)
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    I'm sure the UK brands will again but put at a disadvantage as people will import from outside the EU and the powers that be wont clamp down on them.
     
    I'm sure some of the health brands will be applying for a license and will continue to sell some of the products but i would have thoughts costs would increase.

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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 18:20:21 (permalink)
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    I am for stricter regs on supps. I fear this will not be decent enough legislation.
     
    Plus it's from the EU :(
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    Re:Will test boosters, liver, cycle and PCT supports be banned after 1st May? 2011/03/29 19:06:02 (permalink)
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    I don't mind it's from the EU and i am also for stricter regulation on herb supplements; it's just that the way they do it is not right; you couldn't just ban everything.
     
    There are good national standard systems for herb products in Korea, Japan and Taiwan etc, seems the EU just couldn't be bothered to establish a good system here.
    Actually I just came back from chinatown in London, talked to a guy in a worldly famous chain chinese medicine store; he said he rang the authority several times and everytime he got different answers, seems that even the government doesn't know what happens. And it's already one month left.
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