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2014/10/23 16:39:32 (permalink)

Womens' Bodybuilding RIP

IFBB are soon to announce that this years Ms Olympia was the last, Bob Chick on MD pretty much confirmed.
 
Do you think it can be saved, if so what do you think needs to happen to save FBB?
as the athletes rep do you represent the FBB'ers?

 
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I think this is so for the obvious reasons...the numbers of FBB competitors around the country are next to zero...rarely, do I have a show where there are more than 1 or 2...usually none. 
Was FBB more popular in the late 80's...yes, it was. As the physiques got more muscular, the interest became less and less.
Can it be saved? no. 
I represent all members of the IFBB...and have made change for everyone, not just the mens BB division.

 
With female bodybuilding being killed off at grass roots level in the UKBFF with the removal of this class already, what are your thoughts?
 
Did the female competitors take it too far and nail their own coffin?

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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 16:57:11 (permalink)
It's dying in the heavily muscled competiative area.  But income the Women's Physiue class 2 years ago and this is already getting popular.  What's happened is that it's gone back to what Women's Bodybuilding was like 30 years ago.
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 17:22:53 (permalink)
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It's dying in the heavily muscled competiative area.  But income the Women's Physiue class 2 years ago and this is already getting popular.  What's happened is that it's gone back to what Women's Bodybuilding was like 30 years ago.




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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 17:51:42 (permalink)
Bodybuilding has always been a men's sport. Muscles are a masculine trait and that's not just a social norm, it's basic biology (hell it surprises me how sometimes female bodybuilders try to argue with this when they're relying on male hormones to support their muscle mass). So there's always going to be a line for fitness and sports women, beyond which people are just grossed out. There is a very small niche of people who are really (really, if you know what I mean) into muscled women but those are far too few to support it at a professional level.
 
Now, lean and athletic women are much better accepted, which is kind of what female bodybuilding was in the beginning, and what physique and figure competitions are now. So it was just a matter of time before female bodybuilding died out and its fans shifted towards these competitions.
 
But these things are cyclical and the trend to get bigger and freakier is always there. A lot of physique women are already too big and ripped for most people's tastes, and they'll probably keep getting bigger and freakier, eventually replacing female bodybuilding...and dying out just like it as "softer" competitions take over.
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 18:02:15 (permalink)
What's happened is that it's gone back to what Women's Bodybuilding was like 30 years ago.

 
Now if the men would just follow suit....
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 18:02:53 (permalink)
The difference is guys may get looked upon as being freaky and a bit over the top, in top level bodybuilding, and even below, but the minute a women is seen in a similar light, they are just deemed total wronguns/freaks etc.
 
A shame for those that are really passionate about looking that way, but it's just never going to be of main stream appeal.
 
I much prefer the womens fitness look, it's just so much more appealing to all.
 
So hardly a surprising outcome.

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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 20:24:57 (permalink)
It's a good thing imo. I don't think women should take male hormones at all, let alone to the extent they do in Ms Olympia.

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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 20:41:20 (permalink)
A very large muscular man is an enhanced version of what nature has created. A very large muscular women is the exact opposite of what nature created in the first place. There is no wonder most people are turned off by it, including myself.
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 21:16:29 (permalink)
It's a real shame for female bodybuilders as it's a HUGE commitment to get to that level of muscularity. Where do they go now?
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/23 21:19:08 (permalink)
I feel  a bit sorry for the women who have been masculinized and now don't have a sport to compete in , although some of the woman carry it really well .
 
I still find the likes of Lisa Cross , Laura Creavalle attractive and think they carry there muscle well , but when you see the down sides like the more masculine women I can see why its been ditched
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 06:46:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Elle_Mac 2014/10/25 22:46:46
It's sad but if there is no demand for it then it's pointless supporting it at the shows. I do like the new Physique look but this will no doubt go the same way eventually. When I first competed in the 80s, there was a bikini class that was stopped due to being unpopular. Figure was a softer look and physique was less muscular than today's figure! As has been said, it will all circle round.

I'm more saddened by the fact that traditional beauty contests were driven out as they were "degrading" for women only to find bikini class seems to have taken on that role. I hate the sexuality of this class, it's not what the scene should be about. It's not even "fitness" related (as in they're not tested on fitness ability etc), many girls don't consider themselves "bodybuilders" so I really still don't get why it's on the same stage as bodybuilding!! Yes, it's driving more women to the gym and on stage but I read more comments about people being bored watching this and they usually leave the auditorium!
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 08:36:29 (permalink)
The majority of the physique ladies I see are amazing.
 
I like women with good shape and some muscle, but when it get's to that freaky BB level it's not for me.

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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 10:06:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Desmo 2014/10/24 15:03:51
The saddest part of this thread is that despite the removal of an entire class within the competitive scene its already been pointed out that the next tier down is begining to spiral upwards in terms of physiques. Until judging criteria is addressed throughout the competition classes with reward going to aesthetics rather than freakish mass the "sport" will continue to decline. Not just the female classes but across the board
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 10:27:08 (permalink)
O well the Show Must Go On
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 10:37:28 (permalink)
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The saddest part of this thread is that despite the removal of an entire class within the competitive scene its already been pointed out that the next tier down is begining to spiral upwards in terms of physiques. Until judging criteria is addressed throughout the competition classes with reward going to aesthetics rather than freakish mass the "sport" will continue to decline. Not just the female classes but across the board


In men's bodybuilding it's sort of leveled out now simply because they just can't get any bigger (not unless we get some new major breakthrough in chemical enhancement). The Olympia guys are already about as big as humans can possibly get with the resources available today. Coleman's last win was almost 10 years ago and honestly I don't think to this day there's been anyone superior. If 2003 Ronnie Coleman stepped on stage today he'd probably overshadow both Kai and Phil.
post edited by Uriel - 2014/10/24 10:39:00
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 11:55:22 (permalink)
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In men's bodybuilding it's sort of leveled out now simply because they just can't get any bigger (not unless we get some new major breakthrough in chemical enhancement).


Igf 1 injected straight into the muscle. They created a super mouse! In 50-100 years they reckon through genetic engineering they could create a real life "hulk" 10ft tall, 700lbs!

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(Sorry can't embed on my phone for some reason)

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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 12:19:01 (permalink)
Good looked crap and was bad for the sport. Same with the Mass Monsers int the mens before anyone accuses me of sexism. 

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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 12:34:02 (permalink)
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In men's bodybuilding it's sort of leveled out now simply because they just can't get any bigger (not unless we get some new major breakthrough in chemical enhancement).


Igf 1 injected straight into the muscle. They created a super mouse! In 50-100 years they reckon through genetic engineering they could create a real life "hulk" 10ft tall, 700lbs!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ucHFgXizpGc

(Sorry can't embed on my phone for some reason)

IGF-1 has been around for a while now, in several different forms. The results have been lackluster. Seems it doesn't really work in humans like in works in mice. Probably because anabolic hormones in general tend to work better in wild animals than humans (it's the same for steroids and myostatin blockers), because we're just genetically predisposed to be scrawny, and also because IGF-1's growth pathways are basically the same ones activated through exercise, so anyone who lifts weights regularly is already producing a lot of IGF-1 on his own and the added synthetic IGF-1 won't make a huge difference (ie only really works for sedentary people).
 
Genetic engineering is a possibility but no doctor who wants to keep his licence and stay out of jail would do it.
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 12:57:02 (permalink)
There will always be a new development in the drugs available or in the application of the ones that currently exist. The issue for BBing isn't how much further the envelope CAN be pushed but whether to continue rewarding for an extreme that is so far removed from the aesthetic ideal of the majority just to appease the demand of a minority of freak hunters? The answer has already been shown in female BBing as has been pointed out earlier the limit of acceptance and tolerance was struck much earlier than for men. The industry is realistically not built on fitness or sporting ability but rather on appearance. Its totally subjective with scoring guidelines for judges to mark against and as has been raised for years, a great deal of corruption. So many classes, and federations spring up and disappear that the general public would find the sport very confusing to try and follow. If a major shake up of the sport does not take place then it will become more and more marginilised. The passion that drove the early years is gone and greed and finance have replaced it.
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Re: Womens' Bodybuilding RIP 2014/10/24 13:10:56 (permalink)
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In men's bodybuilding it's sort of leveled out now simply because they just can't get any bigger (not unless we get some new major breakthrough in chemical enhancement).


Igf 1 injected straight into the muscle. They created a super mouse! In 50-100 years they reckon through genetic engineering they could create a real life "hulk" 10ft tall, 700lbs!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ucHFgXizpGc

(Sorry can't embed on my phone for some reason)

IGF-1 has been around for a while now, in several different forms. The results have been lackluster. Seems it doesn't really work in humans like in works in mice. Probably because anabolic hormones in general tend to work better in wild animals than humans (it's the same for steroids and myostatin blockers), because we're just genetically predisposed to be scrawny, and also because IGF-1's growth pathways are basically the same ones activated through exercise, so anyone who lifts weights regularly is already producing a lot of IGF-1 on his own and the added synthetic IGF-1 won't make a huge difference (ie only really works for sedentary people).
 
Genetic engineering is a possibility but no doctor who wants to keep his licence and stay out of jail would do it.


What about governments? Super Soldiers etc. Science fiction stuff. I remember a quote from the big bang theory where they joked if they had spent all the money they used trying to make a decent Hulk movie they could have made a real Hulk lol. I digress.

Female bodybuilding. That awful "documentary" from Jodie Marsh also didn't help the sport 1 bit. Not that she was heavily muscled but some of the featured people were awful

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