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2015/10/16 21:52:59 (permalink)
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Womens bodybuilding

Hi guys looking for advice where to start. I'm thinking of competing next year . I' will be a lot older than most but really want to give it a go
I have trained for years cardio & weights keeping toned & i
Quite strong & after watching my Hubby train & compete there this year I have got the bug even more so bad πŸ˜„. But where to start !!!! what do I look at first ??? my training /diet ?
how do you decide what category I want to compete in ? Help!!! 😬
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/17 04:03:50 (permalink)
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hi, welcome.
Lets start with you while we are waiting for the competitors to chime in.
What are your stats, what physique do you associate your own with, class wise?
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/17 08:46:07 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/10/17 14:09:50
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Hi I am 5ft 11 & 99.1kg at min this is my starting point YIKES. 😁 A long way to go but I have 12mnth goal PHEW!!!
I am going to take pics and start my progress I'm to scared at min to look at body fat percentage Lol I have just looked at my macros and getting my head around grams & weighing food & looking at my diet. I'm not sure prob thinking bodybuilding??? What do I compare myself too do train as normal and try to lose weight & shred and intensivy my training see what happens πŸ˜„Heads wrecked I like to be organised lol 😜Lol
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/17 09:54:00 (permalink)
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There are a gazillion categories for women to compete in. Which you compete in will mostly just depend on how much muscle you're packing.
 
Female bodybuilding is the most extreme and basically means training and eating like a bodybuilder, using anabolic steroids and pretty much looking like a man.
 
This should help:
http://getfoxfit.com/2013...ing-contest-divisions/
 
I assume your 99Kg are no where near lean. If they are you're already female bodybuilding sized, if not you've got a long way to go before you're anywhere near lean enough to compete. After a year straight cutting you will probably be more figure-class sized. A figure competitor at 5'11" would probably step on stage around the 70Kg mark.
post edited by Uriel - 2015/10/17 10:00:05
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/17 14:11:19 (permalink)
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^good info.
Chheers for the stats.
Unfortunately you need to get the bf measured. A start point is a start point.
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/17 21:34:25 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/10/17 22:20:40
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Thanks that's really helpful πŸ˜„At least now I have a starting point to look at & keen to get started thanks πŸ˜„
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/18 22:27:19 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby hififi 2016/04/27 16:43:51
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Female bodybuilding is the most extreme and basically means training and eating like a bodybuilder, using anabolic steroids and pretty much looking like a man.
 

 
ARGGGGGHHHHH 
 
 
There are natty feds. NO ONE HAS to take steroids!!!! This is a natural lady that I have been helping. NO STEROIDS!! It's possible and of course all depends on how hard you work in all aspects!!
 
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/18 22:30:41 (permalink)
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Vicky, where are you based? Nutrition and training are the key elements. Anything else depends on the extreme that you want to take it. You definitely do not need to be taking any substances. There are options these days for all levels of development.
 
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/18 22:52:31 (permalink)
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Hi thanks kitty I'm in Ireland & I won't be taking anything πŸ˜„ So no worries there . Yes I will be training hard & Diet for me & eating pattern will be key for me. & harder to get my head round than my training!!!
I going to push on with this & then decide which category to compete in later on in my training regime how I shape up πŸ˜„ #feelingdetermind
But I'm so lucking forward to getting started & Tomo is day 1 πŸ˜„
So any good advice or info is much appreciated thanks so much for replies πŸ˜„
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/18 23:17:33 (permalink)
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Female bodybuilding is the most extreme and basically means training and eating like a bodybuilder, using anabolic steroids and pretty much looking like a man.
 

 
ARGGGGGHHHHH 
 
 
There are natty feds. NO ONE HAS to take steroids!!!! This is a natural lady that I have been helping. NO STEROIDS!! It's possible and of course all depends on how hard you work in all aspects!!
 

 
 


To each his own and I can accept people wanting to stick to the natural route, but IMHO the difference between classes for natural women will be minimal as even the bodybuilders will be pretty small. Even in men's watching a natural bodybuilding show can get kinda sad sometimes, most just look scrawny and the ones that don't...well let's just say people can cheat at leave it at that.
 
I'd rather just be frontal and realistic about these things and she will not be anything remotely resembling a bodybuilder without using anabolic steroids. She can build some muscle, get down to a very low body fat, dehydrate herself and step on stage at 60-70Kg tops, and that's because she's tall.
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/19 03:56:45 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/10/19 09:59:15
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I don't put my customers through dehydration! No need!

Why, also do people not accept that there are some genetic "freaks"? Granted to get to Olympia stage in bodybuilding and for most in the new physique category, enhancements will be required but for someone starting out, direct them to develop their natural ability first! I've met too many who regret using gear and more often than not because they didn't allow their own potential in the first place!
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/19 03:59:34 (permalink)
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Hi thanks kitty I'm in Ireland & I won't be taking anything πŸ˜„ So no worries there . Yes I will be training hard & Diet for me & eating pattern will be key for me. & harder to get my head round than my training!!!
I going to push on with this & then decide which category to compete in later on in my training regime how I shape up πŸ˜„ #feelingdetermind
But I'm so lucking forward to getting started & Tomo is day 1 πŸ˜„
So any good advice or info is much appreciated thanks so much for replies πŸ˜„


Good to hear! First things first eh!!?

I don't suppose you're in Northern Ireland are you? If so I have a very good friend in Bangor who can teach you the world! What he doesn't know about training and diet is not worth knowing
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/19 05:31:15 (permalink)
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I don't put my customers through dehydration! No need!

Why, also do people not accept that there are some genetic "freaks"? Granted to get to Olympia stage in bodybuilding and for most in the new physique category, enhancements will be required but for someone starting out, direct them to develop their natural ability first! I've met too many who regret using gear and more often than not because they didn't allow their own potential in the first place!



Why not dehydrate them?  Pretty sure 100% of male bodybuilders are dehydrated on stage.  it's kind of expected.
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/19 10:46:57 (permalink)
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Why not dehydrate them?  Pretty sure 100% of male bodybuilders are dehydrated on stage.  it's kind of expected.




 
With the right process, cutting water is not necessary. I had my lady drink 4 litres on comp day! Got her to the best condition she's ever been. Didn't carb deplete and reload either!! No fasted cardio or long duration cardio during her prep. Much more pleasant way than the old school.
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/23 09:24:42 (permalink)
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There are a gazillion categories for women to compete in. Which you compete in will mostly just depend on how much muscle you're packing.
 
Female bodybuilding is the most extreme and basically means training and eating like a bodybuilder, using anabolic steroids and pretty much looking like a man.
 
This should help:
http://getfoxfit.com/2013...ing-contest-divisions/
 
I assume your 99Kg are no where near lean. If they are you're already female bodybuilding sized, if not you've got a long way to go before you're anywhere near lean enough to compete. After a year straight cutting you will probably be more figure-class sized. A figure competitor at 5'11" would probably step on stage around the 70Kg mark.




I also totally disagree. I'm one of those women Kitty mentions who used because I knew any better. 8+ years PED free I now know that I could have gone a long way without the PEDs. This now limits me regards competing, I've done well in untested feds whilst I waited to be clear enough to compete with BNBF, and I can never compete with the NPA.
 
Just in case anyone is wondering, the period with I did use coincided with a period when I was very unhealthy, and had something which made me very ill and unable to train - the few gains I made were completely and utterly lost during several years of not being able to train, unable to eat properly, and also going through a condition which put me in a catabolic state.
 
The photo in my avatar is 6 years PED free and in my best ever condition, and I've grown since then without any use of PEDs.
 
Women tell me their training told them they need to use PEDs, but they don't place in competition and I'm really surprised when I see their physiques.
 
Diet, training and time can acheive all of this without PEDs which come with complications and side effects.
 
On the topic of dehydration I've never done any more than reduce water the evening before(I know that's more than Kitty does with her clients BUT it's not the extreme that many go to) and I've noticed that I look really much drier when I am on highish water so might try that next time, I also don't use alcohol to 'dry out'. All a myth yet lots of BBers are backstage swigging rum and wine believing it does help them.
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/23 10:21:57 (permalink)
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Too right, alcohol backstage doesn't dry you out, it basically acts as a quick carb and can help you pump up and in some cases more vascularity, in my case it just made me have that little bit too much fun on stage!! Also a myth about it drying you out the night before, it just dehydrates the head not the body!  I've looked much better without the wine the night before but granted I don't sleep as well LOL
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/23 15:39:23 (permalink)
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it also depends what the judges are going for, bikini and figure don't need to be that dry, physique started out with a fairly soft look compared to womens BB but seems to be getting bigger every year.  Only the BB division (which is mostly dead) ever had that dry grainy look
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/23 15:55:54 (permalink)
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Uriel
There are a gazillion categories for women to compete in. Which you compete in will mostly just depend on how much muscle you're packing.
 
Female bodybuilding is the most extreme and basically means training and eating like a bodybuilder, using anabolic steroids and pretty much looking like a man.
 
This should help:
http://getfoxfit.com/2013...ing-contest-divisions/
 
I assume your 99Kg are no where near lean. If they are you're already female bodybuilding sized, if not you've got a long way to go before you're anywhere near lean enough to compete. After a year straight cutting you will probably be more figure-class sized. A figure competitor at 5'11" would probably step on stage around the 70Kg mark.




I also totally disagree. I'm one of those women Kitty mentions who used because I knew any better. 8+ years PED free I now know that I could have gone a long way without the PEDs. This now limits me regards competing, I've done well in untested feds whilst I waited to be clear enough to compete with BNBF, and I can never compete with the NPA.
 
Just in case anyone is wondering, the period with I did use coincided with a period when I was very unhealthy, and had something which made me very ill and unable to train - the few gains I made were completely and utterly lost during several years of not being able to train, unable to eat properly, and also going through a condition which put me in a catabolic state.
 
The photo in my avatar is 6 years PED free and in my best ever condition, and I've grown since then without any use of PEDs.
 
Women tell me their training told them they need to use PEDs, but they don't place in competition and I'm really surprised when I see their physiques.
 
Diet, training and time can acheive all of this without PEDs which come with complications and side effects.
 
On the topic of dehydration I've never done any more than reduce water the evening before(I know that's more than Kitty does with her clients BUT it's not the extreme that many go to) and I've noticed that I look really much drier when I am on highish water so might try that next time, I also don't use alcohol to 'dry out'. All a myth yet lots of BBers are backstage swigging rum and wine believing it does help them.


Don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean to come off as offensive but...you disagree completely yet sort of prove my point when you weight, what, 120lbs?
 
You may not need steroids to complete as a figure/physique/etc. If you want to be a bodybuilder proper, you have to be ready for a chemical sex change. That's the only way you're going to step on stage with a BMI of 25+.
post edited by Uriel - 2015/10/23 15:58:10
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/23 19:17:24 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby hififi 2016/04/27 16:47:01
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If we are talking the top girls as in the Olympia then yes I think it's pretty correct to say enhancement is needed but for someone just starting out and exploring, I think they need to be aware that gear is not essential to compete given the various categories for women and the option of competing in drug tested Feds. I'd certainly NEVER recommend anyone to take anything at any time but if they want to take it to that extreme then they need to reach their full potential naturally (or at least develop to a decent level) IMO before doing so! Any coach who encourages their clients just starting out to take gear whatever their gender are totally irresponsible!
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Re: Womens bodybuilding 2015/10/25 10:15:18 (permalink)
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There are a gazillion categories for women to compete in. Which you compete in will mostly just depend on how much muscle you're packing.
 
Female bodybuilding is the most extreme and basically means training and eating like a bodybuilder, using anabolic steroids and pretty much looking like a man.
 
This should help:
http://getfoxfit.com/2013...ing-contest-divisions/
 
I assume your 99Kg are no where near lean. If they are you're already female bodybuilding sized, if not you've got a long way to go before you're anywhere near lean enough to compete. After a year straight cutting you will probably be more figure-class sized. A figure competitor at 5'11" would probably step on stage around the 70Kg mark.




I also totally disagree. I'm one of those women Kitty mentions who used because I knew any better. 8+ years PED free I now know that I could have gone a long way without the PEDs. This now limits me regards competing, I've done well in untested feds whilst I waited to be clear enough to compete with BNBF, and I can never compete with the NPA.
 
Just in case anyone is wondering, the period with I did use coincided with a period when I was very unhealthy, and had something which made me very ill and unable to train - the few gains I made were completely and utterly lost during several years of not being able to train, unable to eat properly, and also going through a condition which put me in a catabolic state.
 
The photo in my avatar is 6 years PED free and in my best ever condition, and I've grown since then without any use of PEDs.
 
Women tell me their training told them they need to use PEDs, but they don't place in competition and I'm really surprised when I see their physiques.
 
Diet, training and time can acheive all of this without PEDs which come with complications and side effects.
 
On the topic of dehydration I've never done any more than reduce water the evening before(I know that's more than Kitty does with her clients BUT it's not the extreme that many go to) and I've noticed that I look really much drier when I am on highish water so might try that next time, I also don't use alcohol to 'dry out'. All a myth yet lots of BBers are backstage swigging rum and wine believing it does help them.


Don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean to come off as offensive but...you disagree completely yet sort of prove my point when you weight, what, 120lbs?
 
You may not need steroids to complete as a figure/physique/etc. If you want to be a bodybuilder proper, you have to be ready for a chemical sex change. That's the only way you're going to step on stage with a BMI of 25+.




If you mean bodybuilding class in untested feds, then yes.
 
If you mean any other category or the tested/natural feds, then chemicals aren't required.
 
So I suppose it depends how big the OP wishes to go.

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