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2014/11/21 23:36:22 (permalink)

YouTube fake bodybuilders?

There's lots of fitness channels on YouTube, all claiming to be natural body builders. But does anyone know who really isn't natural? And do you believe all these so called natural lifters are fake or real?
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/21 23:39:13 (permalink)
It is hard to tell. Some got are genetically stacked, diet well and train well, it's easy to say these guys pin just as much.
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 00:16:12 (permalink)
Some are natty. Some are definitely not, in fact some use gear all year round until they know they have a test coming up.
 
I don't follow many bodybuilder channels but here are some strong people I think are natural:
 
Elliot Hulse. He's a natural beast. Check his photos of him growing up. He's openly admitted to doing a cycle many years ago. I have no reason to believe he's not natural now though. In fact I'd put a fair amount of money on it.
 
Matt Ogus - He's been training for around 8 years and has video documented the majority of his sessions with weekly topless shots since the start. His gains have been gradual and continuous, with no random massive increases or massive drops in strength associated with use. I've also met him and he isn't that big in real life. He's around 5"5. Absolute beast of a presser. Lifts 120kg overhead strict at around 80kg!
 
Everyone else I follow is an Olympic lifter. They're tested, regularly in some countries. My two training parters are on the GB developmental squad and can be randomly tested at training camps or competitions. They lift some serious numbers. As for the top lifters I follow. Anyone at Olympic level will be on something. 
 
 
Are there any you had in mind? We can do the old natty or not vote. 
 
post edited by jack5r - 2014/11/22 00:19:39

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 00:40:57 (permalink)
Really you met Matty? Where did you meet him? Wow he is short.

What do you think about Chris Jones? & Vince G in particular. Because I have noticed in his earlier videos he was toned but muscular, defined. Then all of a sudden he gained lot of weight.
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 01:23:33 (permalink)
I met him at the body power expo two years ago. One of my old training partner (Simon from the Diet Kitchen) did some filming with him as well. 
 
Chris Jones is also very short, years of training, black and has solid genetics. I can believe he's natural. I don't know much about Vince G but I have heard people saying he put on a lot of muscle very quickly which is suspicous. If Vince is on it, then Chris will probs be on it to. So who knows..
 
 

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 01:30:26 (permalink)
Look in this video at the end. With a pump Chris Jones is stood next to a small slim women and he hardly looks massive compared to her. It looks very different to when he's lifting weight in a video by himself. http://www.youtube.com/wa...h0wrs-8ywjgZO7flfSmlqg
 
 
 

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 08:35:54 (permalink)
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Some are natty. Some are definitely not, in fact some use gear all year round until they know they have a test coming up.
 
I don't follow many bodybuilder channels but here are some strong people I think are natural:
 
Elliot Hulse. He's a natural beast. Check his photos of him growing up. He's openly admitted to doing a cycle many years ago. I have no reason to believe he's not natural now though. In fact I'd put a fair amount of money on it.
 
Matt Ogus - He's been training for around 8 years and has video documented the majority of his sessions with weekly topless shots since the start. His gains have been gradual and continuous, with no random massive increases or massive drops in strength associated with use. I've also met him and he isn't that big in real life. He's around 5"5. Absolute beast of a presser. Lifts 120kg overhead strict at around 80kg!
 
Everyone else I follow is an Olympic lifter. They're tested, regularly in some countries. My two training parters are on the GB developmental squad and can be randomly tested at training camps or competitions. They lift some serious numbers. As for the top lifters I follow. Anyone at Olympic level will be on something. 
 
 
Are there any you had in mind? We can do the old natty or not vote. 
 


If the Oly lifters at a lower standard don't juice in your opinion, how do they ever get to olypic standard?
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 10:28:21 (permalink)
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Some are natty. Some are definitely not, in fact some use gear all year round until they know they have a test coming up.
 
I don't follow many bodybuilder channels but here are some strong people I think are natural:
 
Elliot Hulse. He's a natural beast. Check his photos of him growing up. He's openly admitted to doing a cycle many years ago. I have no reason to believe he's not natural now though. In fact I'd put a fair amount of money on it.
 
Matt Ogus - He's been training for around 8 years and has video documented the majority of his sessions with weekly topless shots since the start. His gains have been gradual and continuous, with no random massive increases or massive drops in strength associated with use. I've also met him and he isn't that big in real life. He's around 5"5. Absolute beast of a presser. Lifts 120kg overhead strict at around 80kg!
 
Everyone else I follow is an Olympic lifter. They're tested, regularly in some countries. My two training parters are on the GB developmental squad and can be randomly tested at training camps or competitions. They lift some serious numbers. As for the top lifters I follow. Anyone at Olympic level will be on something. 
 
 
Are there any you had in mind? We can do the old natty or not vote. 
 


I just had a look at the Matt Ogus guy you mentioned and he seems to have aged so quickly.  Can't believe hes only 24/25. I have no idea who is natural or isn't and I never really understand the fascination with it.
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 10:44:45 (permalink)
Mike O'Hearn claims to be a natural.

All over his Instagram and Twitter he uses the hashtag #allnattybro .

He also guest poses at natural bb shows (doesn't compete I wonder why that is!?)

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 10:53:29 (permalink)
He's bigger than Arnold in his prime and A LOT older. It's actually funny him claiming to be natural.
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 11:02:01 (permalink)
Yeah Mike O'hearn is an absolute dick.head.

newcastle - by juicing.. Obviously. And when I say Olympic level I mean the A group. I recon you could maybe qualify natural but not get anywhere near the top 10. This is for men btw. Women can often get to a high standard more quickly if they have good technique and genetics.

Namek - Steroids don't age you.. They can make you grow more facial and body hair and go bald more quickly. Matt being asian can't even grow body hair lol and has a full head of hair. So not sure where you're going with the ageing thing.

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 11:13:11 (permalink)
Agreed, O'Hearn is an absolute bell cheese.
I would say everyone at the Olympics is juicing in some way or another. I think it's genetics that separate the elite.
post edited by newcastle - 2014/11/22 11:15:44
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 11:31:04 (permalink)
Kali Muscle is 100% natty 
 

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 11:36:45 (permalink)
That O'Hearn guy reminds of that Max-OT poster boy Jeff Willet who claimed to be a "natural IFBB pro" if such a thing were even possible.
 

 
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 11:40:03 (permalink)
I would mostly agree Newcastle. I think some of the girls may be natural though. I know girls that have been lifting for a year and get some very solid numbers. The difference is a women may only need to add 70kg to her squat if she starts off with naturally strong legs. A man will probably need to add 150kg. Also bare in mind women generally have a better power to strength ratio and normally start off more flexible.

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 11:56:09 (permalink)
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Yeah Mike O'hearn is an absolute dick.head.

newcastle - by juicing.. Obviously. And when I say Olympic level I mean the A group. I recon you could maybe qualify natural but not get anywhere near the top 10. This is for men btw. Women can often get to a high standard more quickly if they have good technique and genetics.

Namek - Steroids don't age you.. They can make you grow more facial and body hair and go bald more quickly. Matt being asian can't even grow body hair lol and has a full head of hair. So not sure where you're going with the ageing thing.

Sorry, my post wasnt about whether he used steroids. Like I said I think its pointless trying to guess this. I'm just saying he looks old.
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 12:09:07 (permalink)
Jack, do you follow Cali Strength? If so, do you reckon any of their athletes are on gear? I know many believe Scott Hisaka to be on something.. Also Noah 
 
Anyway.. Here's a few that haven't been mentioned, some aren't bodybuilders though, they're physique competitors..
 
Lee Hayward
Jeff Seid
Hodge twins
Lazar Angelov
CT Fletcher
 
 
I'm not sure about chris jones, I mean, he's not that big really.. I know a few people bigger and stronger who are natural
 
I have friends who've done cycles and claimed natural, and friends who are natural but have wicked physiques and unreal strength… One can squat 180/190kg easy without a spot, video of him doing 220kg recently spotted - he weighs around 85 I'd say - Probably the most respected guy in the gym, background as a sprinter, he's been training hard for years!
 
Also another guy who can squat 300kg and claims natural.. He's huge though, not many believe he's natural

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 12:24:06 (permalink)
Yeah I love Cali Strength's vids. Great training atmosphere. I couldn't say. Someone like Rob who was injured for agist, then came back and was cleaning 150 with in weeks. A little suspect. Who knows..

I think Jeff Seid. I don't think he was when he first got famous though.

Hodge twins. Just google imaging them and it looks like they have a bit of gyno which i dnt remember them having before. So yeah..

Lazer - yeh on gear

I don't really know much about CT.

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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 13:12:19 (permalink)
jack5rAlso bare in mind women generally have a better power to strength ratio

That's a common myth. 
 
Women aren't as likely to use lots of anabolic steroids because of the side effects. Plus there men have advantages physically that come from things like bone development during puberty that women won't get even by using large amounts of steroids because by the time they're adults it's too late.
 
But across the board in just about every sport men have more strength than women proportionally to their body weight, except in the heaviest classes where competitors tend to get pretty fat and specific strength sucks compared to all the other classes (but that goes for both men and women).
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Re: YouTube fake bodybuilders? 2014/11/22 13:57:44 (permalink)
I don't mean strength to weight ratio. I mean the ratio in what a women lifts in the power movements compared to what she squats. From what I have witnessed, women will able to clean and snatch a higher percentage of what they squat. This may not be the case, but in my personal experience it is. Maybe this is purely due to technical differences with the average female lifter out performing the average male technically, rather than there being a physiological difference between the sexes resulting in the difference of ratios.

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