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2018/03/25 18:44:49 (permalink)
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Your view on fasting?

As the title goes really, what’s your view on intermittent fasting?

If you do it, for what reasons? What benefits do you see?
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/25 19:52:34 (permalink)
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I fast every day. Between 16 and 24 hours. I do 36 hours once a month, last month I hit 50 hours. This is just with black espresso and water. I’m trying a 24 hour water only fast tomorrow. Never done one before.

I find it’s the only way I can feel ‘satisfied’ on reduced calories. Once in a fast is pretty easy, but as soon as I eat anything I’m ravenous all day. So fasting let’s me have 1 or 2 decent sized meals(which is a still a big daily deficit) and I get to go to bed feeling full. It’s made dieting so easy for me. I also don’t eat carbs as I think a more stable blood sugar level helps with hunger pangs.
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/25 20:43:33 (permalink)
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I'm not sold on the intermittent method, the typical 16/8 method amounts largely to skipping breakfast for most people and I've never seen it making much difference for the same food eaten and just makes me hungry and light headed all morning, I have to be food-free for longer than that go get an effect.
 
But fasting as a whole has many proven benefits, I will be introducing fast days when I start my diet to lean out. It's simple, effective and actually healthy.
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/25 20:49:27 (permalink)
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Interesting (both of you)

I’ve just now finished my first 48hr intermittent fast and thought I’d see what others felt about them

Have to say Animal I’m amazed how not hungry I am, first night I was struggling but after persevering through to the second day my appetite is practically gone

Skin has started clearing up already; less bloat, less spots...eyes and teeth looked almost photoshop white when I woke up
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/26 06:49:55 (permalink)
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I am curious if there's any benefit to eating just one meals per day. Is this technically fasting? Is there any benefit and can it be conducive to bbing?
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/26 07:20:34 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby ANIMAL 2018/03/26 07:32:48
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It technically would be IF with a very long fast window. Although I don't think getting all your food requirements for the day in one meal being very easy, for guys who need a lot of food even the standard 8 hour window is very narrow.
 
The benefits are always much the same, forces your body to burn stored fat and it gets very good at it, lowers blood pressure, insulin resistance, has even been shown to have anti ageing effects, promote better immune system etc.
 
But let's not get carried away as some people do and try to bulk on IF because it seems like a good way to do everything at once. For bbing it's a great cutting tool but nobody ever got bigger by eating less, and for the same amount of food eaten what the research has always shown consistently is that it's better to spread out your meals because no matter how much you eat in one sitting you can only elicit so much muscle protein synthesis at a time. Same thing as working out really, you can't go to the gym, train for 6 hours and then take two weeks off and expect your body to keep growing all that time, just doesn't work that way.
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/26 08:01:57 (permalink)
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It technically would be IF with a very long fast window. Although I don't think getting all your food requirements for the day in one meal being very easy, for guys who need a lot of food even the standard 8 hour window is very narrow.
 
The benefits are always much the same, forces your body to burn stored fat and it gets very good at it, lowers blood pressure, insulin resistance, has even been shown to have anti ageing effects, promote better immune system etc.
 
But let's not get carried away as some people do and try to bulk on IF because it seems like a good way to do everything at once. For bbing it's a great cutting tool but nobody ever got bigger by eating less, and for the same amount of food eaten what the research has always shown consistently is that it's better to spread out your meals because no matter how much you eat in one sitting you can only elicit so much muscle protein synthesis at a time. Same thing as working out really, you can't go to the gym, train for 6 hours and then take two weeks off and expect your body to keep growing all that time, just doesn't work that way.



Excellent post mate. That last part sums it up nicely I feel.
 
It does appeal to me purely from an efficiency standpoint, but I get your reasoning. Thanks.
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/26 09:45:10 (permalink)
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I use IF on all my non lifting days.  I incorporate it with calorie/carb cycling.  So on my three high calorie/carb days I don't fast at all.
 
On cardio days I fast for 16 hours, and on rest days I go 18+ hours (both of which are also low carb).
 
I do this mostly for the health benefits (particularly for older guys) and also to keep my insulin sensitivity high after the high carb days.

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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/26 10:39:01 (permalink)
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If you follow keto style eating, fat fasts work very well especially if you have lots to lose or want to get back to a keto state after a cheat day.

More info here

https://ketodietapp.com/B...lete-Guide-to-Fat-Fast
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/26 11:03:32 (permalink)
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I could fast on weekends, I used to eat hardly anything when I was younger, especially on weekends.
 
On weekdays when I'm in a repeatable routine, I'm eating big main meals and regularly grazing throughout the day, but on the weekends that goes to pot usually. I have a much lower appetite in general and only eat when it seems convenient. If I chose to do a strict fast then I'm confident I would manage Saturday and Sunday without any issues. Apart from something PWO after Saturday mornings workout of course.
 
However, I train for strength, and size, so doubt I will be doing one in the foreseeable future.
 
 

 
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/26 11:43:21 (permalink)
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Agree with Animal, IF and keto work very well together.  IF increases ketones, plus you feel much less hungry when in ketosis.
 
Apple cider vinegar is also good for suppressing appetite, plus it assists in improving mineral absorption from the gut so allows you to get a steady flow of micro nutrients from your previous meal. (so I've read but not sure if it's true)
 
What's peoples view on BCAAs during a fast?
 
One camp says they spike insulin so break your fast, others say that you can continue to fast on less than 50 calories (no idea where that figure comes from) and small amounts of BCAAs will not go above this, plus there's the potential benefit of BCAAs (two at least) convert to ketones rather than glycogen (but I think this only occurs during gluco osmosis).

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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/26 12:15:41 (permalink)
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What's peoples view on BCAAs during a fast?
 
One camp says they spike insulin so break your fast, others say that you can continue to fast on less than 50 calories (no idea where that figure comes from) and small amounts of BCAAs will not go above this, plus there's the potential benefit of BCAAs (two at least) convert to ketones rather than glycogen (but I think this only occurs during gluco osmosis).


It’s not a true fast imo as any calories means your body has to process them.

Doesn’t mean they may not be beneficial.

You get fat fasts, Protein Sparing modified fasts, water only, and complete nil by mouth. All have benefits (except maybe NBM)

I wouldn’t personally use BCAA’s on a fast. Indian much rather do a PSMF and aim for 1g per lb of body weight of protein (isolate, turkey or egg whites) with about 10g of fishhoils
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/27 16:30:50 (permalink)
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I do IF on a 16/8 basis, generally eating between 1-9pm every day.  Ideally I train fasted around noon i.e. after 15 hours of fasting.  I'm usually awake about 6am & only have water, 1 cup of tea & a coffee before I train (so I guess technically I'm breaking the fast by doing this but anyway).  I've been doing this about 8 months & it's worked really well for me for a variety of reasons - it fits nicely with my working pattern & has massively helped with digestive issues I'd been having.  Training wise it has definitely helped me shed some lard & I look much better than before.  I have lost some top-end strength (though not much) but to be honest this doesn't bother me as I only train to look decent in my swimming trunks & to fight off the middle aged spread that has afflicted all my mates as we've entered our 40s!
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/03/31 19:03:32 (permalink)
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I do a 24 hour fast starting on Sunday night to Monday night.
Then from Tuesday to Friday - I go do 16:8.
 
At weekends I eat more of a traditional eating plan.
 
The thing with intermittent fasting is you do not have to do it every day of the week.
 
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/04/11 11:23:47 (permalink)
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Why would anyone do IF hmm? Hehe. I believe IF is not a solution, it may be a trend and some people may enjoy the benefits, but the body misses so many nutrients which you can't get in within 8 hour frame for long period of time.

About keto, when scientists who are researching and promoting keto diet say more studies need to be done to be sure and start to explain how to trick your brain for consuming carbs it all ends for me and healthy lifestyle. I don't think there are many people who would accurately track the macros for long time and when getting back from the keto, it's not that simple and the body reacts.
 
If all these is just to lose body fat, you can do it without any sophisticated diet/fasting, just eat the right food at the right time. You also don't need any fat-burner but there are few supplements which can help you speed up fat 'burning' and L-carnitine is not one of them neither CLA.
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/04/12 13:01:02 (permalink)
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I fast from 10 p m til 6 a m while sleeping and this is enough for me :)LOL ..But honestly I prefer feed my muscle and est clean.everything should be in moderation.
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/04/12 14:37:08 (permalink)
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Fasting is certainly not a trend, many cultures have been doing it for a long time because they recognise the benefits.
Our culture is just becoming exposed to it over recent years.
 
As for weight loss, that's not what it's about.  True, it can help as a way of controlling calories in the same way as any diet can do.  But much like keto diets, people start them as a weight loss diet when in fact that is not what the main benefit is.
 
For me, fasting is most applicable to middle aged men, especially natty athletes.  I do it to reap the benefits to hormone balance and insulin sensitivity.

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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/04/12 21:31:37 (permalink)
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Why would anyone do IF hmm? Hehe. I believe IF is not a solution, it may be a trend and some people may enjoy the benefits, but the body misses so many nutrients which you can't get in within 8 hour frame for long period of time.


which nutrients can you not get in an 8 hour window?
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/04/14 16:51:00 (permalink)
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I don't see fasting as anything other than a potentially convinent way to manage a Kcal deficit.
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Re: Your view on fasting? 2018/04/16 13:09:53 (permalink)
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Nice review of a year long study on fasting 
 
https://www.myoleanfitnes...s-traditional-dieting/
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