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2006/07/08 03:38:58 (permalink)

advice on dosage and pct

can anyone give advice ive been in the gym for 6 weeks on a good diet and routine and have noticed gains , i play a lot of football but only weigh 11 stone im looking to bulk up quick for the new season . I know a lot of people say i have not been working out long enough to start on the gear but i need to bulk up quick could anyone give me some advice for my first cycle im looking to do small dosage really like a footballers dosage and some advice for pct would be helpfull , are hcg's any good ??? and some advice on the best way to keep gains woulld also be helpful ...... cheers jim .
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 08:17:25 (permalink)
    Jim......does it matter what advice we give you, or are you going to do it anyways?
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 08:49:03 (permalink)
    Well well Jimbo. Your right, in your post. Your not ready for gear. But if your going to do it anyway, then i suggest you start here.
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-beginners-steroids-faq.asp
    When your done with that go here for pct.
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp

    A good cycle would be
    Week 1-4 30mg Dbol Spilt into 3 doses.
    Week 1-8 500mg Test enanthate split into two injections. 250 Tuesday 250 Thursday

    If you want to avoid the DBol you could kick start with 1000mg test for the first 2 weeks. 500 on tuesday and 500 on thursday

    PCT
    Day 1 clomid 150mg, novla 60mg
    Day 2-11 clomid 100mg, novla 40mg
    Day 12-21 clomid 50mg, novla 20mg

    Again i think you should wait until your muscle matures more, but if your going to dive in atleast have some knowledge.

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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 09:05:04 (permalink)
    wouldnt all the water bloat make cardio a bit hard? And with you wanting to play football surely you'll need to beable to run around lots lol. also with the added bulk after your cycle this is going to make you feel more tired as it would be like running with perhaps a 10lb bag on your back.

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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 09:32:01 (permalink)
    u not ready simple as!! No point recommending AAS to someone who has trained for 6 weeks
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 09:48:29 (permalink)
    The faster they rise, the harder they will fall....

     
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 10:32:50 (permalink)

    Agree with others.

    IF you were gonna do a cycle then the one CV suggests would be good

    BUT - far far too early

    Raw dead Lift 320kg
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 11:19:17 (permalink)
    will there be any unforseen side affects as im going in so early ??? also are hcg's good for pct ??? i dont know if clomid or nolva are available to me at the mo my mate uses hcg and has never had a prob the only gear i can get hold of at the mo is deca and sust could someone base a cycle round these or do they not go together as such ???
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 11:20:16 (permalink)
    jim83

    Ive trained for 10 years now- Ive learned so far that there is one thing that AAS cannot make you do.

    Eat a proper diet.

    Eating good whole foods have given me more gains than any pill available. And guess what- They dont stop.


    But I gotta say this- If you are gonna do it- Do it right. Screwing around now will only mess with your future.


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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 11:23:15 (permalink)
    Deca/sust

    400/500 is a bread and butter mass cycle- Kept at 8-12 weeks.

    HCG is only needed if the boys(nuts) shrink.

    You need to research PCT and understand the importance of it- Also realize lots of your gains will dissapear as they are water. But if done properly you can keep a good portion.
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 11:27:36 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jim83

    will there be any unforseen side affects as im going in so early ???





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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 11:35:55 (permalink)
    sorry mate i didnt relly understand the bread and butter bit could you give me a clear beginers cycle using deca and sust and a recomended pct course i do no the importance of pct i have been researching the use of aas for about a year now i wont be starting the cyle until i can get some clomid and nolva , i just need to get bigger quick as the football season gets going i will be looking to come off the gear completely but i want to keep my gains so correct pct is imperitive .
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 11:43:12 (permalink)
    Bread and butter meaning staple diet or most common. 250/200 Sust/deca on Sun and Thurs

    However bulking cycles generally tend to slow down people- Especially in sports.

    Im sure you mean American Football- However
    pct should look like this as stated above
    PCT beginning
    Day 1 clomid 150mg, novla 60mg
    Day 2-11 clomid 100mg, novla 40mg
    Day 12-21 clomid 50mg, novla 20mg

    However I believe PCT should start 14-18 days after the last jab.

    Again read Partyboys post. Its important.
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 12:15:59 (permalink)
    6 weeks at the gym and wants to start gear LMAO!

    pure.......stupidity
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 12:25:24 (permalink)
    my momma once said,if you got nothing good to say dont say anything at all..so ill refrain from any negative comments on this one..
    its pretty much already been covered and partyboy posted ole reliable so im out...
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 12:34:42 (permalink)
    Leave deca out. start with a pure test based cycle and add deca to the cycle in the future.

    week 1- 2 Sust @ 1000mg
    Week 3-8 Sust @500mg

    Begin pct 3 weeks after last jab.

    Just a side note. Test wont lift the weights itself. If your thinking that going on gear will make you stronger your mistaken. Whats your routine look like?
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 12:46:01 (permalink)
    6 weeks of training and going to gear...good possibility your gonna end up with an injury..
    tendons and ligaments wont be able to handle the rapid strength gains you will be making..something gonna give..jmo
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 12:55:22 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Mr.Twitch

    6 weeks of training and going to gear...good possibility your gonna end up with an injury..
    tendons and ligaments wont be able to handle the rapid strength gains you will be making..something gonna give..jmo


    Jimbo as you can see everyone says WAIT
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 13:00:39 (permalink)
    I feel sorry for young footballers if they are under that much pressure that they have to resort to drugs and risk their health. Your 11 stone mate, try sticking to a good training routine and diet for a longer period of time and you will grow
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    RE: advice on dosage and pct 2006/07/08 14:25:46 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jim83

    ive been in the gym for 6 weeks....


    ORIGINAL: jim83

    i have been researching the use of aas for about a year now



    Might be just me but WTF?????!!!!

     
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