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2009/07/26 17:09:59 (permalink)
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any old bill advice?

K, heres a question for any coppers, or anybody else who may know the answer.
 
I walk my dog over some fields near where I live, said fields are often used by the local yths to buzz about on their motorbikes. I dont have an issue with kids that do that, I did it when I was young n no doubt so did a few of you.
So far, whenever ive been out and the bikes have, they have kept their distance, or,if suddely bumping intome and the dog, slowed rigt down so I can control her.
 
Till just now.
 
I was onthe fields, and a bike appears, and this twat rides full pelt and practically buzzes me and the dog, end result, she chased after him on the bike. Blew my whistle and she came back, but then to cap it off, the nob turned round and came back near us! Off she went again, this time getting at least 5meters near to him before she slipped and came back.
 
Now, I was livid and if he had come near us again was ready to wrap my chain around his neck, but my question is as follows.
 
If my dog got hold of him and caused an accident, could I be done for it? Im pretty sure in this day and age in Britain the answer will probably be yes but could somebody clarify!
 
 
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    paulthebuilder
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 17:19:21 (permalink)
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    Who owns the fields?
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 17:21:09 (permalink)
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    council
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 17:21:22 (permalink)
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    If your dog bit him or caused him to come off (seriously hurt of course) then no doubt it would end up 'destroyed' as they say.  If the cnut is under 16 he will get a slap on the wrist.  They are no doubt breaking the law by riding their bikes on private land without permission, even if they are over 16 they will recieve a slap on the wrist and you will be minus a dog.  There's no justice in this country, no consistency with the law.  You do not need the plod to tell you this, you knew it already.

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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 17:22:57 (permalink)
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    Well, the lads on bikes would never get permission and are without a doubt breaking the law.  I'd have got a hold of that scroat goading the dog.  It's you that would end up worse.

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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 17:25:41 (permalink)
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    Public land = phone police.

    I'm pretty sure that even though your dog would have reacted to them, he'd still get destroyed or you'd get prosecuted.

    Sh1t deal but this is England.
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 17:33:41 (permalink)
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    You would be cautioned for not having your dog on its lead, you'd also be responsible for the dog attacking him and likely he/she will be destroyed..  If you hit him, you're in trouble again.
    Best bet, and only thing you can do is contact the police, the lads will get told off, and then do it again.  I'm afraid that is the only lawful thing you can do.

    Unlawfully, do whatever you want, but if you beat him, next time you walk your dog there, there'll be many more of them to beat you...
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 17:37:36 (permalink)
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    Buy a high velocity rifle, pick a nice vantage point and then pick them all off...one can only dream eh?

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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 17:50:26 (permalink)
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    Although you are supposed to have your dog under close control when out in public and on a lead if walking on a highway, common sense takes over, you know that thing you say coppers dont have any of in a dig at them in a previous thread, but hey in this one you are asking for their help, funny that....

    anyway, if you are walking your dog and some tw4t comes flying past you in a public place on a bike riding illegally and your dog got hold of them then no it would not be destroyed and no you would not be proscecuted, as it just reacted to the situation it was put in by the d1ck on the bike, especially if they put you in fear for your personal safety too which of course if that happened then they would have, as that proves they were riding in a dangerous and illegal manner in a public place, so the entire incident was their own fault, they may well not get done either as the injuries they recieve would serve as summary justice and the matter would most likely be dropped

     
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 18:12:21 (permalink)
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    Although you are supposed to have your dog under close control when out in public and on a lead if walking on a highway, common sense takes over, you know that thing you say coppers dont have any of in a dig at them in a previous thread, but hey in this one you are asking for their help, funny that....

    anyway, if you are walking your dog and some tw4t comes flying past you in a public place on a bike riding illegally and your dog got hold of them then no it would not be destroyed and no you would not be proscecuted, as it just reacted to the situation it was put in by the d1ck on the bike, especially if they put you in fear for your personal safety too which of course if that happened then they would have, as that proves they were riding in a dangerous and illegal manner in a public place, so the entire incident was their own fault, they may well not get done either as the injuries they recieve would serve as summary justice and the matter would most likely be dropped


    Wrong! The dog would end up dead.  Anytime a dog is violent to a human, the human most probably provocked it in some way,  when kids are attacked, the kid has no idea how to act around animals, due to being a kid, the kid would pull the dogs ear, the kid would lose half of its face.  What do you think would happen to the dog?  Compare the kid pulling the dogs ear to some tw4t flying past on a bike.  The dog  just reacted to the situation.  Don't be so naieve chief.

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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 18:21:38 (permalink)
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    like the idea that the police will come if you ring them. Lol


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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 18:22:46 (permalink)
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    I think it is best to shred old bills to avoid clogging up your house/office with too much paperwork and move to paperless billing.
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 18:23:07 (permalink)
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    huskyboy

    Although you are supposed to have your dog under close control when out in public and on a lead if walking on a highway, common sense takes over, you know that thing you say coppers dont have any of in a dig at them in a previous thread, but hey in this one you are asking for their help, funny that....

    anyway, if you are walking your dog and some tw4t comes flying past you in a public place on a bike riding illegally and your dog got hold of them then no it would not be destroyed and no you would not be proscecuted, as it just reacted to the situation it was put in by the d1ck on the bike, especially if they put you in fear for your personal safety too which of course if that happened then they would have, as that proves they were riding in a dangerous and illegal manner in a public place, so the entire incident was their own fault, they may well not get done either as the injuries they recieve would serve as summary justice and the matter would most likely be dropped


    Wrong! The dog would end up dead.  Anytime a dog is violent to a human, the human most probably provocked it in some way,  when kids are attacked, the kid has no idea how to act around animals, due to being a kid, the kid would pull the dogs ear, the kid would lose half of its face.  What do you think would happen to the dog?  Compare the kid pulling the dogs ear to some tw4t flying past on a bike.  The dog  just reacted to the situation.  Don't be so naieve chief.


    bit of a difference fella, you simply can not compare the innocent actions of a small child to a youth that is intentionally trying to provoke a reaction, in this case the dog would have to be proven to be acting in a manner that is dangerously out of control in a public place, which in this case it would not have been at all, I've dealt with similar matters so not being naive at all
     
    but what do I know its only my job...

     
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 18:24:19 (permalink)
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    ok...

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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 18:24:58 (permalink)
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    I think it is best to shred old bills to avoid clogging up your house/office with too much paperwork and move to paperless billing.


    lol, I like the wit, thought you were banned though? or am I getting confused

     
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 18:39:50 (permalink)
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    like the idea that the police will come if you ring them. Lol


    A friend of mine works on the doors it was just him and another doorman it turned particularly nasty so the police and ambulance had to be called, when the police arrived the manager explained that the guy who had been attacked had had half bricks smashed in his face and he's in hospital and will have serious scars, We have it on CCTV explained the bar manager, oh forget it says the police the victim wont complain anyway, if they do then we will get the tapes.
     
    What has this country come to?
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 18:58:22 (permalink)
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    huskyboy

    Although you are supposed to have your dog under close control when out in public and on a lead if walking on a highway, common sense takes over, you know that thing you say coppers dont have any of in a dig at them in a previous thread, but hey in this one you are asking for their help, funny that....

    anyway, if you are walking your dog and some tw4t comes flying past you in a public place on a bike riding illegally and your dog got hold of them then no it would not be destroyed and no you would not be proscecuted, as it just reacted to the situation it was put in by the d1ck on the bike, especially if they put you in fear for your personal safety too which of course if that happened then they would have, as that proves they were riding in a dangerous and illegal manner in a public place, so the entire incident was their own fault, they may well not get done either as the injuries they recieve would serve as summary justice and the matter would most likely be dropped


    I stand by that the majority of police DO NOT have common sense ;-)
     
    Anyway, I have been speaking to a women who has three small dogs, ones a jack russell, the other two westies. She has encountered the same biker a number of times apparently, and h has buzzed her whilst out.
     
    It gets better....
     
    Her Jack Russel also chases the bike, except in that instance, he actually slowed, then kicked the dog "road rash" style for all the retro video gamers.
     
    Now I am guessing he didn risk it as my dog is a little bigger than a jack russell, would her statement make a difference to the outcome?
     
    I walk her there twice a day so am pretty certain to bump into him at some point. Want to know what I need to do if it happens.
     
    Id have no problem giving him a pasting and taking the punishment, but for the dog to be killed, cant risk that
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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/26 19:01:53 (permalink)
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    sounds like a big fuss over nothing

    if it bothers you that much report him to the police to riding the bike illegally or walk somewhere else



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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/27 09:44:00 (permalink)
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    knowing he had kicked a dog ,id have him off and give him a kicking,who says he didnt fall off the bike ,while i was at it i do sumin to his bike
    the police are pretty much powerless IMO with matters like this,i wouldnt risk having problems from scum like this

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    Re:any old bill advice? 2009/07/27 12:29:46 (permalink)
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    next time he tries to whizz past you run at him so he will prob lose control of his bike and go flying

    which would equal him being hurt and you not even touching him
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