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2014/10/08 21:13:13 (permalink)
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aromasim proviron novla and pct

Hi lads, been reading an artical about prov and it says it will lesson the sides on the likes of an test tren cycle and acts like an anti e ? if so will there be any rebound of this as i take it it will just block it not get rid of it ? and will it be any good for pct with nolva/tamox ?
 
aromasin, has any body done a pct with this and at what doses and lenght of time did you run it for ?
 
im goin to do a 6mth cycle starting nov, this is the longest 1 ive done so previous pcts have just been nolva for 3-4 weeks.
 
plan on doing 3mths of test @500mg pw
then 125mg test e for 3mths, 500-600mg tren e for 8 weeks with a front load then on too tren a for remainder of cycle stopping 2 weeks beforfe end of test.
 
as for pct im not sure yet, can get nolva and prov no prob but aro im not sure about yet.
i always recovery fine with just nolva but never been on for this long, i dont want to have a rebound once pct is finished hence why im asking about an aro pct because that gets rid of the estrogen not just blocks it.
using prov during and after pct should keep mood up ?
or would running nolva for say 6 weeks and tapering off work well ?
my norm pct is
day1 80mg nolva
day2 60mg
day3-7 40mg
day8-21 20mg
 
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/12 13:36:37 (permalink)
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any1 ?
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/12 15:47:26 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BICOS 2014/10/13 21:26:45
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Hey bud,
 
Proviron is antiestrogenic yes but it is NOT an AI (aromatase inhibitor)
In fact because it is so androgenic I would not include it in a cycle with tren unless your already bald :)
 
Instead use a low dose of an AI on cycle. I like Formeron myself (transdermal formestane) or you can use aromasin or adex.
 
For PCT-
ALWAYS include an AI. People will argue this but please trust me Ive been doing this for decades.
A SERM like nolva will certainly raise your test levels. It does this in part due to a negative feed back loop.
Ill try to explain simply-
 
In males estro is made primarily via enzymatic conversion. THe enzyme being aromatase.
 
Testosterone >aromatase= estrogen.
 
Now...when estrogen levels are super low the brain will send the signal to the balls (LH/luteinizing hormone)
to start test production. Why? Because you need more test to make more estro. So a rule of thumb is =
low estro= rising test levels
high estro= falling test levels
 
A SERM blocks estro receptors and tricks the brain into thinking estro is low.
An AI really does lower estrogen.
 
Both will raise test levels, however, you may see a problem-
While an AI really lowers estro leaving you post PCT with low estro and high test a SERM does not lower estro at all. IN fact estro will almost certainly get higher as test levels start to climb so...at the end of PCT you wind up with high test and high estro...If we look at the rule of thumb we will see that high estro= dropping test. This is an unfavorable result for pCT because test levels will drop leaving you with high estro and falling test= failed PCT.
 
If you had run an AI and at the end of the PCT your estro levels were tanked out while test was elevated youll be in a favorable position because. The body will always seek homeostasis. Test levels will drop slightly and estro will rise slightly leaving you with high normal test levels and low normal estro. = PERFECT PCT.
 
My company makes a transdermal AI that works incredibly well so you dont have to search for aromasin if you dont want to. I would include the SERM if you have it but not without the AI.
You can also add in other things to boost test levels but we dont need to go into it unless you want to.
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/12 16:21:00 (permalink)
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Best description for a pct ive ever read.....
 
"My company makes a transdermal AI that works incredibly well so you dont have to search for aromasin if you dont want to"
 
do you have a link?
 
 
 
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/12 16:29:00 (permalink)
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Thanks bro. Like I said, Ive been doing this for decades.
 
 
 
 
http://www.blacklionresearch.com/formeron/
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/12 16:34:36 (permalink)
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Also I figure if Im going to be present at all on this forum I may as well do my best to contribute and help guys out.
If I recommend my product for PCT or any other reason Im not doing it because Im trying to con you into buying my products. Im doing it because I genuinely believe its the best option.
Our products are very solid so I dont need to run scams and smoke screens. Just good old fashioned kick ass supps.
 
 
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/13 21:26:32 (permalink)
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Thank you for this, makes alot of sense. what sort of dose would you run aromasim with nolva.
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/13 22:16:28 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BICOS 2014/10/15 08:04:15
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 On cycle- With regards to dosing ancillaries like Aromasin (exemestane) the required dose is both dependent on the dose of testosterone being used as well as each persons susceptibility to estrogenic sides.
A more estrogen heavy or technically a more aromatase heavy person may need double the dose of a guy who has lower natural aromatase levels.
 
The same goes for PCT because someone who naturally has low aromatase levels might experience negative side effects if his dose of AI is too high. A good starting point is 12.5mg ed for week 1.
12.5 eod for week 2-3 and 12.5 twice a week for week 4.
 
Exemestane/aromasin is a suicidal aromatase inhibitor as is formestane.Formeron.
This means it permanently inactivates the enzyme which then takes some time to rise again.
This is why I dont recommend a straight dose all the way through. After 1-2 weeks with no exogenous test and using an AI like aromasin or Formeron, your estro levels will be very low which can cause low libido, depression, lethargy etc. Unfortunately these are also normal symptoms during PCT so...to be safe..use the protocol I outlined.
If joints begin to hurt ...I mean like so painful lifting becomes difficult then cut AI dose in half.
 
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/15 08:04:33 (permalink)
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Thank you very helpful again.
 this is mainly for my pct as ive never run a 6mth cycle before.
ill be running 3mth 500mg test e pw then dropping test down to 125mg pw and adding tren e at around 500mg pw for 2mth then tren a till end of cycle, keep test going for 2 weeks after last tren a jab. i got gyno for 1st time last cycle and ive ran around 6 cycles and had no probs before, not sure if it was the brand of test because i had never used this brand before.
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Re: aromasim proviron novla and pct 2014/10/24 03:22:16 (permalink)
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Most likely it was not the brand but more likely the ester used.
Keep in mind nandrolone (often referred to as Deca because most people use the decanoate ester) and trenebolone ( a nandrolone derivative) can both also cause gyno. This isnt estrogen driven gyno though its caused by prolactin.
 
So was the last cycle test only?
 
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