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2011/04/03 22:25:02 (permalink)
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benefits from vitamin supps?

Im always being told by certain lads in the gym you should try taking this and that vitamin supplement. eg vit c, beta carotene, guarana etc.
Ive googled them to death and people everywhere recommend them but nobody actually states what if any benefit they have had from them.
Are people just taking them because research says you should or do you actually feel any benefit from taking them?

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    Alfermail
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/03 22:30:55 (permalink)
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    Vitamins are a supplement where you may not feel a buzz or an immediate external benefit, but your body is probably grateful for them if you neck them around hard training sessions.
     
    What are you expecting?

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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/03 22:41:08 (permalink)
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    I'd highly recommend 'Bodybuilders Nutrition Book' by Franco Columbo which gives a very in depth chapter on the various minerals and vitamins - way too much info to write out here but suffice to say they are very important depending on how limited your diet is.
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 08:05:36 (permalink)
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    Vitamins are one of those things we take for various reasons - how many people take vitamin c or up the dosage of it if they have a cold?
     
    ATM - I am taking my vits - well vit c, multi-vit in effervescent form - I do this purely to get extra water into the system.
     
    I would get some good multi-vit, some fish oils, stuff for joints if this is an issue and vit c etc.
     
    The issue with Vits & Mins is there is so many of them you could end up a walking pill box if you wanted too!
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 10:40:35 (permalink)
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    There is increasing evidence that many people do not get sufficient vitamins and minerals from their diet.
     
    Yes if you have a balanced diet you may get everything you need, but with todays stressed lifestyles and nutritionally depleted foods this mythical balanced diet is increasingly harder to achieve.
     
    And if you are a body builder or any kind of sports person then your vitamin and mineral requirements will be higher than average anyway.
     
    I recommend at the very least take a good multi-vit & mineral.
     
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 13:36:40 (permalink)
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    So if these vitamins are recommended... how come they shouldn't 'replace' fruit and veg? Surely if they are the same thing then there won't be any problem skipping the fruit and veg...?!
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 14:02:21 (permalink)
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    huh? fruit and veg=multi vit. 
       
    You should never replace fruit and veg with a multi vit. Firstly fruit and veg is full of fibre which the body needs, keeps your digestive system running nicely. Secondly there are no calories in a multi vit so it would be stupid to assum that replacing friut and veg with a multi vit is going ot have any benefit.
    What you should do however is take a multi vit along with your normal food daily to make sure you have everything covered. I personally dont take a multi vit at the moment, but i do take some selected vits and minerals, once these are used up im going to buy some more Alpha Men from myprotein
     
    My current Vits & Minerals:
    Zinc matrix(reflex) 3 caps pre bed
    Vit D3(purtians pride) 5000iu daily
    Super Vit B complex(myprotein) 2 tabs per day
    Green Tea extract( myprotein) 2-3 tabs per day
    Liv52 6-9 tabs per day
     
     

       
       
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 14:10:16 (permalink)
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    Yes but I think you missed my point.
     
    I understand that you shouldn't miss fruit and veg, but i wanted to understand why. Fibre can be gotten from lots of other sources and so can calories.
     
    So if I ate meat, eggs, oats, fish, etc, etc and had a good multi-vit, what would be the point in veg seeing as their dose of vitamins is mariginal compared with a tablet...?
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 14:17:54 (permalink)
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    veg contain other stuff that are not in a vit tablet, veggies especially raw veggies may reduce the chance of cetain cancers, veggies are full of antioxidants and enzymes. Also a multi vit tablet is mostly synthetic vitamins, you should always get the majority of vits from natural sources. Vitamans from natural sources are more bioavailable than pill form(synthetic form). Poor diet will eventually lead to disease, taking pills instead of a variey of food is gonna be a bit silly and will impact your health down the line.
     
     
     
     

       
       
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 14:34:51 (permalink)
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    BICEP_BILL

    huh? fruit and veg=multi vit. 
      
    You should never replace fruit and veg with a multi vit. Firstly fruit and veg is full of fibre which the body needs, keeps your digestive system running nicely. Secondly there are no calories in a multi vit so it would be stupid to assum that replacing friut and veg with a multi vit is going ot have any benefit.

    x2.  Vit C? Have an Orange. I do take Omega 3 and garlic capsules.  Guarana? I highly doubt you'll notice anything. I had it as an addition in a tablet years ago. Nothing.

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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 15:16:33 (permalink)
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    Have you seen how much Vit C is in an orange compared with a Vit C tablet?
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 16:49:44 (permalink)
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    Massive21

    Have you seen how much Vit C is in an orange compared with a Vit C tablet?


    that may well be the case but your missing the point completely
     
    two articles of interest
    http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-vitamin-mineral-supplements.aspx
     
    http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-fruit-veg.aspx
    post edited by Lucky_jim - 2011/04/04 16:55:14
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 17:29:57 (permalink)
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    Just stick to fruits and vegs mate, you can easily get 100% or even 200% of your daily requirements from diet. The only extra thing you may find beneficial is Vit D and thats because we dont see the sun often in the UK. Dont listen to people taking ridiculous amounts of vitamins, unless u re Ronnie Coleman. If you want reasons then how about
    a) you re wasting money
    b) you re not taking the natural form of the vitamin, but the artificial which can act as pro-oxidant ie have the opposite of the desired effect
    c) stop muscle adaptations to exercise
    d) many vitamin supplements do not contain the amounts they say on the label (so again waste of money)
    e) you can get everything from your diet and spend your money on food. 
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 19:55:58 (permalink)
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    Massive21

    Have you seen how much Vit C is in an orange compared with a Vit C tablet?


    vit c in an orange is more bio available, hence why lemon boflavonoids are added to vit c tablets to make them more bioavailable.
     
    Vitamins are ok, you just dont want to be depending on them for a really poor diet.
     
     

       
       
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 20:21:23 (permalink)
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    Massive21

    Have you seen how much Vit C is in an orange compared with a Vit C tablet?


    vit c in an orange is more bio available, hence why lemon boflavonoids are added to vit c tablets to make them more bioavailable.

    Vitamins are ok, you just dont want to be depending on them for a really poor diet.




    spot on bill...they should supplementa good diet and possibly plug any gaps
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/04 20:24:10 (permalink)
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    I'd highly recommend 'Bodybuilders Nutrition Book' by Franco Columbo which gives a very in depth chapter on the various minerals and vitamins - way too much info to write out here but suffice to say they are very important depending on how limited your diet is.

    That book is massively out of date - and Anita Bean is much much much much better!

    As for vit and minerals - I think the benefit is marginal to downright essential depending on your diet, how hard you train.
    Nothing needs to be a mega-dose, but I definitely think a good multi-vit, along with dha/epa and D3 are excellent places to start, then if you are short on fruit - 500mg vit C be a good one.
    Personally I like to take a lot of vits and minerals individually, technically there is no text book benefit and I am making expensive pee - but psychologically I feel better - and placebo effect is still an effect :)
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/05 17:14:04 (permalink)
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    I would definitely support Les and Dr Griffiths (and several other posters) that a multi-Vitamin and mineral is likely to be a worthy investment on top of an already sufficient diet.

    Dietary requirements for vitamins and minerals is almost impossible to determine exactly as their relative abundance in food sources fluctuate alongwith individuals' requirements (i.e. Two very similar Individuals can have drastically different needs for certain micronutrients).

    By taking a supplement, you effectively give the individual 'peace of mind' and unless megadosed well above the DRIs for intake, imbalances are unlikely to surface. In fact, certain recommended intakes for vitamins (e.g. vitamin D) are almost definitely well below even basic (non athletic) requirements. So in my opinion there's no argument when it comes to taking a supplement, almost everyone would benefit.

    Due to the wide variability in quality, form presented and relative bioavailability, I would purchase the best you can afford.
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/05 20:07:26 (permalink)
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    Rick - have you spoken to Drew about Vit D - I had a really interesting discussion about it, and the latest testing results in the general population and changes in recommendations.
     
    Really interesting stuff, I was already using D because I live in the North and spend an unseasonable amount of time inside - and looking at the way things are panning out - it seems another reasonable insurance measure for the heath conscious.
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/05 22:21:34 (permalink)
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    MODS PLEASE PM ME AS TO WHY THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE?
     
     
    vitamin D3 is key to a healthy future, everyone should read up on it, and once you do you will supplement with it.
     
    Also remember that you need to spend time in the sun WITHOUT sunscreen to get the vitamin d benefit from the sun.
     
    Vitamin d3 deficency is linked to most diseases and if you live in the uk and ireland and rarely have 20mins a week naked in the sun then guess what you are deficient.
     
    I got my vit d3 from www.purtianspride.co.uk pretty good value, comes from america so give at least a week for it to arrive. i got 200 caps of 5000iu vit d3 for about 9 euro delivered. they do buy one get one free on everything and buy 2 get 3 free as well on everything. really good value on most stuff.
    post edited by BICEP_BILL - 2011/04/06 16:01:14

       
       
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    Re:benefits from vitamin supps? 2011/04/06 12:12:10 (permalink)
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    BICEP_BILL

    vitamin D3 is key to a healthy future, everyone should read up on it, and once you do you will supplement with it.

    Also remember that you need to spend time in the sun WITHOUT sunscreen to get the vitamin d benefit from the sun.

    Vitamin d3 deficency is linked to most diseases and if you live in the uk and ireland and rarely have 20mins a week naked in the sun then guess what you are deficient.

    I got my vit d3 from www.purtianspride.co.uk pretty good value, comes from america so give at least a week for it to arrive. i got 200 caps of 5000iu vit d3 for about 9 euro delivered. they do buy one get one free on everything and buy 2 get 3 free as well on everything. really good value on most stuff.

     
    www.puritanspride.co.uk is a rip off. The prices charged are more expensive than the exact same products on the US site www.puritanspride.com and are still shipped from the states and you still have to pay VAT if your order is stopped by customs.
     
    Basically another example of trying to rip off UK consumers by using a .co.uk address and charging in pounds to trick you into buying from there rather than the US site.


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