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2005/08/02 16:32:26 (permalink)
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bulking and weight gain

Assuming training and diet is nailed. Say I eat with a cal surplus of 200cals. Will I gain more LBM if I increase say to 500cals and even more LBM if I increase to say 700cals.

What I'd like to know is what the graph roughly looks like and at what point does extra cals not give more LBM and end up purely as fat.

Obviously this is different from person to person but there must be a rough shape that applies to everyone ?

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    smiddy
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 17:31:37 (permalink)
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    you stumped me!

    as Toxic would say

    monitor calories and adjust accordingly
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 17:47:23 (permalink)
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    i think there are a few variables here

    it would depend on how much your muscles were taxed during training as to much calories would be needded to repair and build as well as the type of calories consumed to build those muscles.

    No matter how hard you try variables are never the same day to day so it is difficult to calculate. metabolic rate can vary day to workload can training is never exactly the same (one week you might complete all reps one week you may not so calories may need adjusting for this reason)

    Its virtually impossible becuase excess calories turn to fat but its knowing what is "excess" which is the virtually impossible part".
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    cliff_vtr
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 18:03:49 (permalink)
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    no I am not trying to calculate anything just would like to know the relationship between food in and muscle growth. There must be an optimum amount whereby fat gain is minimal compared to LBM gain.

    Just the same as a cars speed. You increase the power and the top speed does not increase proportionally. So I assume once you eat past a certain point all cals end up as fat as you have saturated your requirement completely.

    Paul
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 18:05:19 (permalink)
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    this will be quite hard to explain but hopefully i can do it.

    well my understanding would be (this is nothing scientific) when you workout your body needs extra cals to grow, but this amount of cals will be different for each person for a number of different reason, genetics, training, supplments etc.

    so you want to know if by eating 500cals over maintance you will gain more lean mass then if you eat 200cals over maintance, i would say yes but this has to be offset by what fat you will gain at the same time.

    so for example if you eat 100 cals over maintance 90% might go to lbm where as 10% might go to fat, and i would guess this would stay pretty steady upto a point(this is where i guess it will vary from person to person), lets just say 300cals, so 270cals would turn to lbm and 30 cals would turn to fat, then it would be a case of diminishing returns.
    so it might look something like this
    upto 300cals 90% turns to lbm
    then the next 100 cals 80% turns to lbm
    next 100 cals 70% turns to lbm
    next 100 cals 60% turns to lbm

    so 700cals over maintance might look like this 530cals turn to lbm and 170cals turn to fat.

    also i think the diminshing returns would actually be a bit more drastic than what i put above, so once you have reached your point where most cals turn to lbm then i guess it would actually drop off to some thing like a 50/50 split lbm/fat and then gradually get worse.
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    cliff_vtr
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 18:09:26 (permalink)
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    yep westy thats exactly what I am looking at but its the actual real relationship that I was after, I mean is there a study out there showing calorie intake versus LBM.

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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 18:18:41 (permalink)
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    tbh i very much doubt there is a study of this type being done due to the length of time it will take, because it wouldn'd be much good using a big group of people taking in different amounts of cals because of all the variables, but it would need to be carried out with each person trying several different cal levels and seeing what happens, but this would take far too long. and i very much doubt someone could get that type of study commissioned as it isn't exactly the sort of thing that is of the upmost importances to life.
    but then again what would i know.
    post edited by westy19 - 2005/08/02 18:19:36
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    cliff_vtr
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 18:21:25 (permalink)
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    so cals in Vs LBM gain remains a myth of trial and error then.
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 18:23:14 (permalink)
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    yeah, so just as Toxic would say

    monitor calories and adjust accordingly
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    cliff_vtr
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 18:25:17 (permalink)
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    yeah sure I am aware of the monitor and adjust and TBH have a good idea of how my body reacts to various amounts of food. It was more the science behind the art I was after.
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    RE: bulking and weight gain 2005/08/02 20:21:55 (permalink)
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    You'll never know unless you have something like the Origin test done

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