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2006/07/19 00:28:45 (permalink)
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carb blockers?

not sure if this would go here, or under supplements or whatever. But I was curious to know, I have a very hard time keeping away from breads and such, I was hoping to find out if anyone knows if these carb-blockers actually work. any help would be great before I waste my time/money. ;)

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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 06:51:22 (permalink)
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    Waste of money imho.

    You're better off controlling your appetite better by

    a) Filling up on other foods
    b) Don't buy the offending products
    c) Perhaps consider an appetite suppressant to curb hunger

    but imo most importantly, concente on self discipline

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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 09:23:16 (permalink)
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    That's what I'd say ... just don't buy or eat carbs ?!?

    Noone said it's be easy

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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 09:44:55 (permalink)
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    I think they can have some uses, and they can work well - but you have to use them properly, and reliance is not a good thing.

    I've skimed through a book on it - The Starch Blockers Diet - and there's some interesting points in it. As ~75% of cals that you would usually get from starchy carbs pass through you, it offers up the ability to be able to eat a lot of carbs in a meal without getting the influx of cals and reduces blood glucose effects. This means that you can actually have pretty big carb heavy meals - which are filling and tasty, without the concurrent raise and drop in blood sugar (or at least greatly lessened). For most diets this will mean that total calorific intake from protein and fat will suddenly become comparitively higher. To minimise the problem that such a potentially dramatic reduction in calories from carbs could have, simply increasing total food intake will make sure you only drop the desired amount of cals per day (you don't suddenly want to lose 900kcals a day from your diet).

    I see them being useful as this allows you to eat a far easier diet - especially if you ever eat out. It also allows you to keep in high levels of grains and rice, etc, which are good for fibre, B-vits, minerals, etc. At the same time, you can actually be eating more food, which is mentally helpful.

    If you do use them, make sure you use them properly. IIRC they need to be taken 1/2hr before a meal, and work for around 45mins after. Always take the full dose, otherwise effect is greatly reduced as not all the amylase is inactivated.

    PB - I agree with what you're saying about controlling foods, in honesty, this is the preffered thing to do as it keeps you in complete control without having to resort to a bag of pills. However, I disagree with the appetite supressant as an alternative - how is that any better?? At least with starch blockers you're just reducing medium/fast release energy and nothing more - with appetite suppressants you're potentially reducing everything.
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 10:40:32 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Tony Barnes

    I disagree with the appetite supressant as an alternative - how is that any better?? At least with starch blockers you're just reducing medium/fast release energy and nothing more - with appetite suppressants you're potentially reducing everything.


    From a purely personal view, eph suppresses appetite well. So, when I use it the first things to go from my diet will be carbs to bring them down to a level which is desired for my cutting plans. Even though I probably would prefer carbs than protein at times (everyone gets fed up of the same old chicken, tuna etc) its self discipline that will help me opt for the better cutting choice and I am concious to keep protein relatively high. It does tie in with self discipline and I agree that without it suppressing appetite is futile for those that will continue to eat what they want and instead dropping the protein or fats.

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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 10:54:00 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: JohnJacob

    not sure if this would go here, or under supplements or whatever. But I was curious to know, I have a very hard time keeping away from breads and such, I was hoping to find out if anyone knows if these carb-blockers actually work. any help would be great before I waste my time/money. ;)

    jj



    The only carb blocker that works, adn its one which we all have, is our mouths. The only way to avoid carbs is to not put them in your mouth. As PartyBoy says, its all about self discipline.
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 11:22:24 (permalink)
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    Fair play PB.

    Shack - erm, you're wrong. Amylase blocker do work by reversibly inhibiting the action of amylase. This stops the body from being able to digest starches, so you don't get the energy from them. Simple fact. To say that they don't work is daft. To say that other trains of thought are better would be more appropriate.
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 11:50:05 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Tony Barnes

    Fair play PB.

    Shack - erm, you're wrong. Amylase blocker do work by reversibly inhibiting the action of amylase. This stops the body from being able to digest starches, so you don't get the energy from them. Simple fact. To say that they don't work is daft. To say that other trains of thought are better would be more appropriate.



    What I am saying is, why go to the bother of using such blockers? Just avoid the carbs in the first place!!. Its all boils down to self discipline.

    wiffers post just about sums it up.
    post edited by Shack - 2006/07/19 11:51:49
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 11:56:48 (permalink)
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    Like I said, no problem with that whatsoever.

    It's just your post said that the only carb-blocker that works is your mouth, insinuating that the kidney bean extracts do not work, which they quite clearly do.

    Anyway, I'm just being pedantic anyway, should probably have let it slip by me...
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 11:59:27 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Tony Barnes

    Like I said, no problem with that whatsoever.

    It's just your post said that the only carb-blocker that works is your mouth, insinuating that the kidney bean extracts do not work, which they quite clearly do.

    Anyway, I'm just being pedantic anyway, should probably have let it slip by me...

    No problem. I should have said that we all have a free carb blocker and it works 100%: our mouths.

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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 12:00:12 (permalink)
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    I have had good results with Phase2 ( white kidney bean extract ) when I remember to take it that is THere is some research that this actually does work and block up to 60% of Starch cals unlike fat blockers which have been shown not to work .

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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 12:13:49 (permalink)
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    I don't like fat blockers one little bit. We were approached by someone selling one, and the data was extremely "good" - IIRC ~75-80% of fats were bound and taken from the diet. When we asked how that would affect essential fats they said all fats were removed with the same ferocity. Not good at all. Also not great for the fat soluble vitamins...
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 13:32:46 (permalink)
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    Agree....then there's the possible problems at the other end of the tunnel

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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 13:37:22 (permalink)
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    i just don't think Fat blockers work in quanities sold , the study I saw for Chitosan was done on Chickens that they totally overloaded with the stuff and of course all the fat just passed through but if they fed a human with what was I think IIRC the equiv of 45 Kilos of the stuff I am pretty sure it would block every bleeding thing you ate ..

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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 20:54:29 (permalink)
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    this sounds like something i could be interested in using. anyone no of suppliers in the uk and maybe of a journal on this or another site where someone is using this stuff?
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/19 21:16:30 (permalink)
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    Hello, i am just wondering whether taking a carb blocker before a cheat meal will prevent the leptin producing qualities that it would have, thus making the cheat meal pointless?
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/20 03:31:34 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the replys guys. Been busy. I understand self discipline is the best, but everyone in everything looks for the easier way of doing things. Especially now-a-days with the busy lifestyles we all live. I am constantly on the move during the day and its very hard to plan meals, very often working in buildings with little or no electricity (I work construction). and bounce from anywhere from 1 to 4 places in a day. Sitting down to a decent meal is very hard thing to do. So, thats basically what I was asking for. I need to eat stuff thats quick and easy, but like everyone knows, quick and easy = junk. So out of curiosity I was just wondering had people had much success on these 'carb blockers' I understand whats the best way to do things, but the best way isnt always practical. Thanks tho.


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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/20 04:07:14 (permalink)
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    carbs are not the devil
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    RE: carb blockers? 2006/07/20 14:32:21 (permalink)
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    There's lots of brands out there. Google Phase 2, it's the raw ingredient trademark.

    It would dull the leptin response to a refeed if you only increased cals from carbs.

    No, carbs aren't the devil, they're his mate...
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