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Bob Mcbobberson
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2014/12/31 04:37:50 (permalink)
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casein vs whey

I have hydrolised whey and casein on hand.  My understanding is that casein is slow release because of the clot it forms in your stomach, whereas whey is faster to be absorbed.  Does it make sense if casein is taken at morning/night time and whey is post workout?  Or is this just overly micromanaging nutrient timing?  How would you take them?
BTW i like using more suppliments when cutting as it's easier for me to control my calories and macros this way.
 
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Re: casein vs whey 2014/12/31 09:26:32 (permalink)
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Take them as you say. The supplement industry wants you to micromanage things, so that it can sell specialized products. Now that you have them, go their route.
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Re: casein vs whey 2014/12/31 10:01:32 (permalink)
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Not strictly true alekan - of course there are some specialist products where you're correct, but there is evidence that hydrolysed whey is digested easily and hence more "muscle friendly" around work out (I use a shake with this intra workout) than a casein.

Bob - as you have the products a good bet is HW around work out, casein pre-bed or for a satiating effect if hungry at other times.

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Re: casein vs whey 2014/12/31 10:59:27 (permalink)
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Yeah i think its good to have some slow release protein in your shakes keep your muscles feed that little longer
I use Reflex peptide fusion & its all i use these days
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Re: casein vs whey 2014/12/31 12:30:20 (permalink)
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phil3030
Not strictly true alekan - of course there are some specialist products where you're correct, but there is evidence that hydrolysed whey is digested easily and hence more "muscle friendly" around work out (I use a shake with this intra workout) than a casein.

Bob - as you have the products a good bet is HW around work out, casein pre-bed or for a satiating effect if hungry at other times.



 
I agree with Phil
I dont know how much real world difference it makes if your still getting your daily protein but if I had both id just keep it fast digesting proteins around training.
 
Im also using Hydrolysed whey as an intra instead of BCAAs at the moment. I keep casein for pre bed or if im going long periods without food.
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Re: casein vs whey 2014/12/31 17:39:01 (permalink)
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Hydrolysed casein (peptopro) is actually faster acting, if you're talking just casein then that's the slowest acting in the supplement industry.

I use either hydrolysed whey or casein around training and just whey or blends at other times of day should I have a shake.

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Re: casein vs whey 2015/01/01 00:48:24 (permalink)
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Yeah it's ON gold standard 100% casein, so it's the slow stuff.
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Re: casein vs whey 2015/01/01 10:53:04 (permalink)
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Bob Mcbobberson
Yeah it's ON gold standard 100% casein, so it's the slow stuff.




Awsu,me tasting stuff m8 they got some new flavours out now as well
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Re: casein vs whey 2015/01/01 13:14:57 (permalink)
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I tend just to buy whey protein isolate. If I want it to be slower in digestion I eat some almond butter with it.
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Re: casein vs whey 2015/01/07 13:25:10 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby The_Lone_Wolf 2015/01/07 13:28:07
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i wonder if any studies were actually conducted between groups using isolate/hydrolyzed/caesin and come to the bottom of any benefit that equates to real world noticeable differences?
Like group A put on X amount more size.
 
I have whey concentrate, gets the job done.
If i'm in the last 3-4 weeks of a prep where i need 6-7% bf then sure, i will look at micro managing carb sources but sometimes people are really buying into a lot of marketing and spending more than needed.
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Re: casein vs whey 2015/01/11 16:18:35 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby The_Lone_Wolf 2015/01/12 08:56:19
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Re: casein vs whey 2015/01/14 13:46:03 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby The_Lone_Wolf 2015/01/14 14:05:24
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good take home point:
 
Is it worth using casein hydrolysate post workout?
The above is the science and all of it seems really convincing. But in the real world, will changing your post workout protein to casein hydrolysate actually give you better results? On the great scale of things probably nothing that you will be able to measure, especially in comparison to WPH. Indeed, for optimal post workout nutrition you'll be adding carbohydrates post workout, possibly high molecular weight carbs like Vitargo® and waxy maize starch (information oncarbohydrate powders); these will directly and considerably increase blood insulin levels, negating any small effect from the post workout choice of protein.

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Re: casein vs whey 2015/01/24 01:27:10 (permalink)
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I've read conflicting info on pwo carbs.  increasing insulin levels might not be desirable if your insulin sensitivity decreases.  Most of the newer analysis is going in this direction.
 
That's because the intake of carbs after exercise blunts the post exercise insulin sensitivity. That means that once muscle has loaded up on glycogen, which it does pretty quickly on carbs, insulin sensitivity decreases dramatically.

 
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md92.htm
 
I'd also be wary or any source that says casien compared to whey wont have a noticeable effect but recommends vitargo.  I seriously doubt the effects of vitargo would be noticeable compared to similar (MUCH cheaper) supplements.
post edited by Bob Mcbobberson - 2015/01/24 01:30:28
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Re: casein vs whey 2015/01/24 22:40:55 (permalink)
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For me a lot of it is down to cost vs benefit. Yes certain supplement protocols might be optimal but only by a few percent compared to the cheaper alternative that may good but just not optimal. When I have the extra cash I go for what I believe to optimal and spend the extra money, but I don't worry too much if I don't have it especially as it's just a hobby for me and I don't compete.
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