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2009/07/30 18:26:32 (permalink)
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chiropactors?

has anyone had any experiences?  good or bad ?  or thoughts on them

ive had a real bad neck problem and knee for over a year now so just looking at diff avenues.

ive been to the oesteopath and while he fixes the pain he doesnt fix the problem.  the cause is still there.

one of the guys that used to train at gym, treats alot of pro rugby players and seems to be held in high regard s a chiropractor.

had a consultation with him and basically he saying over 2 months he will fix me no problem at a cost of about 400!!  2 treatments per week..  he seemed to know what he was talking about and went thro it all with me which was good.

now if is fixes me then i think its money well spent but really i cant afford to throw 400 quid away if it doesnt.  i kno nothings a garantee but are these things just a con like so many other things out there.??
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    Red Bull
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 18:41:29 (permalink)
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    Too expensive for my liking. I was charges 50 notes for a 20 minute session. I needed 2 per week, for a couple of months. To be fair I went broke before the end of treatment and sacked it off

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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 18:47:24 (permalink)
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    Mods: The libellous phrases have been removed, panic not!





    Some practitioners claim it is a cure-all, but the research suggests chiropractic therapy has mixed results – and can even be lethal, says Simon Singh.


    You might be surprised to know that the founder of chiropractic therapy, Daniel David Palmer, wrote that “99% of all diseases are caused by displaced vertebrae”. In the 1860s, Palmer began to develop his theory that the spine was involved in almost every illness because the spinal cord connects the brain to the rest of the body. Therefore any misalignment could cause a problem in distant parts of the body.

    In fact, Palmer’s first chiropractic intervention supposedly cured a man who had been profoundly deaf for 17 years. His second treatment was equally strange, because he claimed that he treated a patient with heart trouble by correcting a displaced vertebra.

    You might think that modern chiropractors restrict themselves to treating back problems, but in fact some still possess quite wacky ideas. The fundamentalists argue that they can cure anything, including helping treat children with colic, sleeping and feeding problems, frequent ear infections, asthma and prolonged crying – even though there is not a jot of evidence.

    I can confidently label these assertions as utter nonsense because I have co-authored a book about alternative medicine with the world’s first professor of complementary medicine, Edzard Ernst. He learned chiropractic techniques himself and used them as a doctor. This is when he began to see the need for some critical evaluation. Among other projects, he examined the evidence from 70 trials exploring the benefits of chiropractic therapy in conditions unrelated to the back. He found no evidence to suggest that chiropractors could treat any such conditions.

    But what about chiropractic in the context of treating back problems? Manipulating the spine can cure some problems, but results are mixed. To be fair, conventional approaches, such as physiotherapy, also struggle to treat back problems with any consistency. Nevertheless, conventional therapy is still preferable because of the serious dangers associated with chiropractic.

    In 2001, a systematic review of five studies revealed that roughly half of all chiropractic patients experience temporary adverse effects, such as pain, numbness, stiffness, dizziness and headaches. These are relatively minor effects, but the frequency is very high, and this has to be weighed against the limited benefit offered by chiropractors.

    More worryingly, the hallmark technique of the chiropractor, known as high-velocity, low-amplitude thrust, carries much more significant risks. This involves pushing joints beyond their natural range of motion by applying a short, sharp force. Although this is a safe procedure for most patients, others can suffer dislocations and fractures.

    Worse still, manipulation of the neck can damage the vertebral arteries, which supply blood to the brain. So-called vertebral dissection can ultimately cut off the blood supply, which in turn can lead to a stroke and even death. Because there is usually a delay between the vertebral dissection and the blockage of blood to the brain, the link between chiropractic and strokes went unnoticed for many years. Recently, however, it has been possible to identify cases where spinal manipulation has certainly been the cause of vertebral dissection.

    Laurie Mathiason was a 20-year-old Canadian waitress who visited a chiropractor 21 times between 1997 and 1998 to relieve her low-back pain. On her penultimate visit she complained of stiffness in her neck. That evening she began dropping plates at the restaurant, so she returned to the chiropractor. As the chiropractor manipulated her neck, Mathiason began to cry, her eyes started to roll, she foamed at the mouth and her body began to convulse. She was rushed to hospital, slipped into a coma and died three days later. At the inquest, the coroner declared: “Laurie died of a ruptured vertebral artery, which occurred in association with a chiropractic manipulation of the neck.”

    This case is not unique. In Canada alone there have been several other women who have died after receiving chiropractic therapy, and Edzard Ernst has identified about 700 cases of serious complications among the medical literature. This should be a major concern for healthofficials, particularly as under-reporting will mean that the actual number of cases is much higher.
    If spinal manipulation were a drug with such serious adverse effects and so little demonstrable benefit, then it would almost certainly have been taken off the market.

    Simon Singh is a science writer in London and the co-author, with Edzard Ernst, of Trick or Treatment? Alternative Medicine on Trial. This is an edited version of an article published in The Guardian for which Singh is being personally sued for libel by the British Chiropractic Association.
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 18:56:55 (permalink)
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    interesting article!!

    however ive had manipulation of the spine and neck and only found postitve results.  ie, the pain went away.

    he actually gave me a treatment today and my neck feels a whole lot better.

    it does seem a little dangerous rotating the neck.  its kinda like death move you see in movies.

    and more worryingly a close friend of mine (only 25) had a stroke a few months ago.  this was due to a blot clot he had in his neck moving to his brain.  so im woryed about my bad neck if i have treatment or if i dont
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 18:58:08 (permalink)
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    Red Bull

    Too expensive for my liking. I was charges 50 notes for a 20 minute session. I needed 2 per week, for a couple of months. To be fair I went broke before the end of treatment and sacked it off


    did u find it helped tho.. ive had one session feel better already.  mine sounds cheap then £30.00 per session
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 19:00:33 (permalink)
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    Mate I had a curveture (sp) of the spine and had one spinal erector way over developed compared to the other (still do) she thought she could fix it, I thought otherwise after a few hundred notes. She was danish and **** like, so i stayed longer than I otherwise would. Perhaps I'm a bad example, many swear by them. If you have the cash give it go!

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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 19:05:44 (permalink)
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    It's a lot of money, and he is wrong to be guaranteeing that he will fix it. That is quite unethical behaviour in my eyes to be honest.  He cannot guarantee that.

    I have opinions on chiropractors (they are a shady, dodgy bunch as evidence by the aftermath of the Sinon Singh affair), but the one thing they do that may work is physical manipulation but only because they are doing similar techniques to mainstream professionals. 
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 19:07:20 (permalink)
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 19:46:37 (permalink)
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    yea he is really knowlegable hes a really good trainer as well.  but when they start talking intensive course my arse was tightening lol..

    he did loads of different test on me and a lot of them went straight over my head, but he does seem to be really proffesional and thorough!

    this is his website http://www.cardiffbaychiropractic.co.uk/services.html
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 20:08:29 (permalink)
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    I don't like this statement on his website.  They  should not be doing anything on babies.

    Chiropractic care is also suitable for problems which occur for ladies who are pregnant and for babies and young children. 



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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/30 20:51:33 (permalink)
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    I went to a chiropractor every week for a year at £25 per session (few years ago now).  He fixed the problem, gave me regular exercises to do to fix the problem and don't get it anymore.  That was a neck issue...
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 03:49:05 (permalink)
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    thanks mike sounds good

    yea he was saying to me about doing stuff to a 2 year old,  cant see why, but maybe it helps for some stuff.  very risky tho imo.  i wdnt wanna be cricking  a babies spine
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 08:44:51 (permalink)
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    Not a big fan to be honest, mainly due to business practices. Its always 2-3 sessions per week at x amount, talk lots of fancy talk but from my experience very little results.

    I went through the whole series and always felt better immediatly after being clicked around but it always returned.

    I am sure there are some issues they work great on but for me they (mostly) ignore the musclular skeletal system and concentrate on nerves.

    if you have had a long term problem i would recommend regarding some of Dr Sarno books, they are a bit way out there but this time 3 weeks ago, i was seriously considering taking sick leave from work for 2-3 months. After reading this book my back pain levels have dropped massively. Just an idea.

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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 09:06:00 (permalink)
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    Bro i had an RTA could harldy get off the bed or sofa,walking hurt,standing still for a while even hurt
    went to osteo's,pyshio's one forward 2 back,my chiro has sorted me out in 3-4 sessions,feel like i never had an issue
    sorted out my wifes 19yr jaw problem in one session
    My mum had post op problems and was unable to find a solution,she is back going to her keep fit and after a year off work starts back next week after 3 sessions with my chrio
    however there are a LOT of bad ones its finding a good un but you you need any help with that ill get some suggestion from him



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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 09:51:02 (permalink)
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    The Graduate

    if you have had a long term problem i would recommend regarding some of Dr Sarno books, they are a bit way out there but this time 3 weeks ago, i was seriously considering taking sick leave from work for 2-3 months. After reading this book my back pain levels have dropped massively. Just an idea.


    The most help I've had are from two osteopaths - one's a bodybuilder - and they both believe that back pain nearly always starts with emotional problems.


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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 10:11:01 (permalink)
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    I'd always go the medical route first, blood tests/xrays.

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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 10:27:05 (permalink)
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    The guy I go to is top notch & has sorted me out well. I went to a few piss poor ones before him though. He looked at the underlying cause of my problems & did scans etc.
     
    I recommended him to my Dad, who has had a bad back for years & he was worked wonders for him.
     
    It depends on the individual & how good they are, rather than "are chiropractors any good"

    Lets start buildin' some hurtin' bombs 
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 11:42:39 (permalink)
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    mine gets called by the local Hospital to go an treat new born with certain condtions and has a few consultants on his books.

    ive used it myself and for me it deffo worked

    Everyone has been in shape,but not everyone is IN shape,its about where your going not where you have been.
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 14:50:02 (permalink)
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    well im booked in dont hink im gonna do 2 x per week for 3 months like hes suggesting i cant afford that.  seems a bit much too,  prob do 2 x for amonth then once per week see how i get on
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    Re:chiropactors? 2009/07/31 14:58:41 (permalink)
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    you do need more to start im down to once a month,look at it this way youve prob laid more out on cars but this is your health

    honest mate i cant tell you the difference mine has made

    Everyone has been in shape,but not everyone is IN shape,its about where your going not where you have been.
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