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2007/06/06 22:38:31 (permalink)

contreversial question???

firstly - how do you spell contaversial?

anyway - im watching that diana thing on channel 4

how fast did they say the car was going when it crashed as its an armoured car and the doors are open

the way i understand it from my paratrooper mates is that the emergency services cannot cut you out of an armoured car, even by cutting you out
as the theory is if someone crashed into a car with an important person in it they cannot get to them, hence armoured

my apologies if this is political, i dont think it is
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    AIRBORNE
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/06 22:42:31 (permalink)
    How would Paras know whether it's possible to be cut out of an armoured civilian car?
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/06 22:48:46 (permalink)
    my apologies - the para in my above post did that course, evasive driving i think it is
    its the one where you are trained in how to get away from people trying to assasinate your passenger (bush, blair, etc) like the minder should have been on/had been on

    the idea is someone couldnt cut out the important person if they crashed into or blocked off the car
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/06 22:51:01 (permalink)
    how to get away from people trying to assasinate your passenger (bush, blair, etc) like

    LMAO your choice of examples are pure funny!

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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/06 22:52:36 (permalink)
    I think your mate is talking sh1te TBH mate. Only the body, chasis and windows are armoured. A person trapped would be trapped by internal fittings which are pretty much the same as in a normal car.
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 12:06:04 (permalink)
    yeah, and surely the whole point of evasive driving is to get away and not get trapped??? !! armoured, just means that it is designed to withstand gunfire, not be totally inpenitrable.
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 12:15:58 (permalink)
    Depends on the car.

    Most will have plating on the undercarrage of the car, the back panel of the seat will have a huge sheet of meteal cover it, the roof, and a piece cut out and made to fit behind the dashboard, with strongler glass replacing the normal stuff.

    Ont they really custom made to order stull will touch the chassis, the Merc didnt look particularly armoured, the way it buckled and how the windows smashed TBH, but doesnt matter, if your in a vehical and come to suddend stop yout still gonna be mortally wounded.
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 12:20:28 (permalink)
    Speaking from exp in the fire service, a lot of cars now, in particular Mercs, Jags, Volvo's are being made with such structural strenght that it cannot be breached by specialist cutting equipment. This has lead to the cutting gear being re designed to overcome this problem but whether or not a particular brigade carries that equipment comes down to availability/ finance/ local budget etc
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 12:29:17 (permalink)
    yeah, there is a threshold of deacceleration, as a critical limit for the body, anything over that and the force of your organs stopping against the ribcage practically turns them to mush and kills you regardless if wether your body is injured visibly
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 13:18:45 (permalink)
    so how do cosmonauts/pilots get away with it?

    Special suits?
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 13:20:43 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Dan Nukem

    so how do cosmonauts/pilots get away with it?

    Special suits?


    slower deacelleration lol
    post edited by just t - 2007/06/07 13:21:07

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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 13:25:26 (permalink)
    Im guessing if you put a wall infront of them when they are moving they will die lol.
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    so how do cosmonauts/pilots get away with it?

    Special suits?

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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 13:37:42 (permalink)
    quick point, ive trained with cutting and extraction equipment and its fairly safe to say that even an armoured/plated vehicle would be fairly easily cut open by most standard tools!
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 13:52:35 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: just t

    ORIGINAL: Dan Nukem

    so how do cosmonauts/pilots get away with it?

    Special suits?


    slower deacelleration lol



    to go into more detail there are two real things to consider, actual accelaration (in this case negative) and rate of change of acceleration, too much of either and it has the same result
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 15:05:19 (permalink)
    controversial

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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 16:07:27 (permalink)
    The fact of the matter is....her bodyguard was the only one wearing a seat belt, and he lived.

    If she'd had had one on, she'd have stood a good chance, despite all the rapid decelleration and armour.

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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 17:09:31 (permalink)
    I think they said it was going about 65-67mph!
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 17:21:50 (permalink)
    If you hit a wall at 70mph, the wall hits you back at 70mph. Thats a lot of pressure for anything to withstand, esp if weight behind it is a couple of tonnes from an amoured car!
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 17:54:41 (permalink)
    I watched the majority of the programme last night, and from what I could fathom they died because they were too dumb to wear seatbelts and the driver was over the legal limit to drive and lost control. The type of impact - sideways into a concrete column - is fairly devastating to passengers, particularly if they didn't clunk click before setting off.

    Personally, I felt worse for the photographers who were put through a living hell so that the Paris government could try to appoint blame (how does it take 17mins for an ambulance to come from a hospital you can see 5/600 yards away??) to save face.

    With regards to deceleration injury, the biggest deceleration ever was accomplished by David Purvey in 1977 - he went from 108mph to zero in 60cm. That's equivalent to around 180g.... http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/drv-purdav.html It's a complete miracle he survived, as it was he took months to recover from multiple breaks and fractures.

    EDIT: It's worth noting that at 180g he would also have become the worlds heaviest ever person, at 13 odd tonnes (assuming he weighed a bit over 70kg)
    post edited by Tony Barnes - 2007/06/07 17:56:28
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    RE: contreversial question??? 2007/06/07 18:31:20 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: just t

    ORIGINAL: Dan Nukem

    so how do cosmonauts/pilots get away with it?

    Special suits?


    slower deacelleration lol


    But don't cosmonauts travel at about 500mph onboard rockets?
    What about when re-entering earths atmosphere, I assume this must cause a rapid drop in velocity (or complete incineration) but how can a space shuttle brake in space?
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