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2008/05/16 09:46:23 (permalink)
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cutting up and using steroids

when cutting up i always want to hold onto as much muscle mass as possible.

is the reason why people use things like winstrol just to hold onto muscle or can you actually grow new muscle as well when your cutting?
not sure as ive always known high cals to grow, low cals to cut.
so cant see how you would grow by being on low cals. maybe its different if using AAS.

not sure as ive never cut before using AAS.



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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 09:51:42 (permalink)

    It's possible to make lean gains when cutting...

    All depends on diet - not gear IMO
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 09:56:15 (permalink)
    if cutting using AAS mate, the general idea is the AAS will help you maintain as much muscle as possible whilst eating sub-maintanence calories. depends on your cycle tho IMO, as i can use tren and both add muscle and lose fat, tho that is on a bulk where i go just above maintenance calories and i lose a little fat thanks to the tren. if going specifically on a cut i wouldnt expect to gain any muscle really, tho ive never used AAS to assist a cut, so maybe i could gain some muscle, but id only expect to do so on a reletively heavy cycle, not just a bit of winstrol/anavar.
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 09:58:30 (permalink)
    wish i could make lean gains when dieting. ive always had a problem when cutting up, always loose too much strength and size.
    most likely cause my diet has always been too harsh, ie carbs far too low.
    am away to try again, this time i'll keep my carbs a bit higher and see what happens.
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 10:24:04 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Gun Show

    wish i could make lean gains when dieting. ive always had a problem when cutting up, always loose too much strength and size.
    most likely cause my diet has always been too harsh, ie carbs far too low.
    am away to try again, this time i'll keep my carbs a bit higher and see what happens.


    start on high carbs and add cardio, max out on cardio before even dropping carbs then you will hold on to your muscle dude.

    Im doing a natural cut at the mo, last time i cut was on test e/winny/clen/eph and thats the pic below after 12 weeks, tbh im flatter without using meds but i think i could achieve the same look natural and with a few days carb up at the end.
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 10:41:39 (permalink)
    thanks for that locust!

    how much cardio do you recommend?

    i was thinking 6 sessions a week, 45mins each.

    most likely after weights, but if i can first thing in the morning.
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 11:20:31 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Gun Show

    thanks for that locust!

    how much cardio do you recommend?

    i was thinking 6 sessions a week, 45mins each.

    most likely after weights, but if i can first thing in the morning.


    no probs mate.

    start with 4 x 45 mins per week, no need to go crazy at first then you have options to add more when fat loss slows down.

    i would highly reccommend first thing in the morn, if not then try do do it on days off from weights.

    Have u always cut and done cardio after weights ? thats might be your problem mate, its highly catabolic and a muscle eater if you have just done a weight session.
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 12:16:39 (permalink)
    i usually used to diet quiet hard ie 100g of carbs a day thought that was the problem.
    ive tried the cardio in the mornings and in the evenings after weights and always had the same problem. weight loss of the wrong sort. could see my arms and shoulders getting smaller.
    thats what makes me think my diet wasnt right.

    before your morning cardio do you take any protein? some people tell me to do it on empty and others have told me to take in 25g of whey protein.

    for my cut im going to be using winny and for the first 2 weeks eca, after that im switching the eca to T5's.

    you said you used winny and eph? any advice on using them? you ever used T5's?

    cheers bud!
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 12:21:07 (permalink)
    T5 are eca mate, i take em first thing in the morn on an empty stomach before cardio
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 12:31:44 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: kez

    T5 are eca mate, i take em first thing in the morn on an empty stomach before cardio


    Yeah thats all i do take 2 eph tabs to get my arse to the gym.

    i just used winny to see how it was, didnt notice much tbh mate, but i was on test aswell.

    nope i just do cardio on empty, uphil walking on the treadmill, not to intense.
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 13:32:46 (permalink)
    T5 and eca are the same?
    i got a tub of eca and the capsules are brown and my tub of T5 the capsules are white.
    any idea why?
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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 13:36:42 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Gun Show
    T5 and eca are the same?
    i got a tub of eca and the capsules are brown and my tub of T5 the capsules are white.
    any idea why?

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2713976/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2713976


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    RE: cutting up and using steroids 2008/05/16 14:35:29 (permalink)
    i used eca on my last cut and it turned me into a right grumpy $hit bag.

    i wont use it again, it kills my will too.

    T3 for the win!
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