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2003/08/07 16:25:05 (permalink)

cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!!

rite, its that time again... a new day a new cycle

started august 4th

cycle as follows

500mg TV/week (1g weeks 1-2) 1-9
400mg test heptylate/week (800mg weeks 1-2) 1-9
350mg/wk primo weeks 6-11
slin post workout starting week 3 through til week 9

quite basic, would have been all test hept (no TV) but i dropped a bottle, 25ml litterally down the drain! gutted.

supps, multi vit
vit b5
cod liver oil
dandilion root extract
home-made weight gainer (egg powder, whey, milk powder)
TMOF whey
biohazard maltodextrin
bigfellas protein bars [^]

daily diet varies so i wont put the actuall bits down
but i work on a clean diet when i can
protien 350+g (200g of which is powder)
carbs 400g
fats 120g (mostly meat and eggs)

total cals approx 4000

training split
monday chest (needs work!)
tues shoulders, triceps
weds
thurs back, biceps
friday legs
sat
sun

staring weight 225lbs, dieted back from 233lbs
height 6ft, bf% guess at 13-14%
stats
chest 47"
waist 36"
bi/tri 17.5"
quads 27"
calves 17"


anything i forgot? new to this, il add it if i can
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/08 14:34:51 (permalink)
    looks good - keep us posted
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/09 07:10:50 (permalink)
    Interested in how you are going to use slin post workout.

    Are you going for the Nicholls approach of humalog-r on tuesdays and Thursdays ?

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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/09 09:52:08 (permalink)
    enlighten me on the nicholls approach? thats anew one to me
    was just going to do shot immediately after workout with 100g maltodextrin(reardless of iu of slin, max 10iu) with 100g whey powder. and yes i think its humalog-r. peak 20min-90min after shot? simple carbs on hand anyway
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/10 18:55:09 (permalink)
    from what I have pieced together Chad doesnt advise using slin every day - he says it causes a lot of problems on contest day - water retention, bloating etc, plus he says it risks resistance problems the longer you use it.

    Instead he seems to advice using humalog-r after the 2 most intesive workouts of the day - so Leg day (Monday) and the next one appears to be back (Thursday).
    The rest is what you would normally do - except for that I think he uses a small amount more than the every day approach.

    Obviously not being one of Chad's athletes this is what I have pieced together from what he and Tom Prince have (not) said on the subject.

    I'll see if I can find anything else out - but its like getting blood from a stone this one!

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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/11 13:39:14 (permalink)
    cheers Big Les il try and find something aswell!

    week 1 update

    weight increase is 8lbs so far! no visible water increase, no back pain, or painful shins

    i was a bit hesitant about this bit to whether it would work but il say anyway.

    its PB inspired, and from this experience it works.
    18 before starting a cycle, overtrain yourself systematically. start a 3-day-split routine(over three days), then have 3 days off. then 3 days training then 1 day off, then upper body 2 days, lower body 2 days, then whole body for 2 days at high volume until absolute failure.

    you have systematically overtrained yourself, restrict carbs on day 10 and cut supplements (creatine/whey etc) its daunting and it feels horrible, then have 2 rest days, return everything to normal and try not to do anything on those days (complete rest).

    then start the androgen load. i look fuller than i ever have, stomach bit flatter (but that could be from chest looking better.

    appetite is better, though i have had the squits for 2 days, shall document strength increases as and when they come.

    bring it on, chest tonight
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/11 14:27:48 (permalink)
    Things look very good Pete. I'll be following your progress eagerly - especially on the hept, I heard nothing but good things about it.

    I won't tell Gary you're using someone else's protein powder!
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/11 14:33:12 (permalink)
    cant afford the ravager, wish i could, its much nicer.
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/11 15:25:50 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by big pete

    cant afford the ravager, wish i could, its much nicer.



    I use it pre contest only. I've just got a big bag from The Whey Consortium - very pleased with it.
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/11 17:46:04 (permalink)
    Okay this is what I have found on insulin use.

    either 10iu am, 10iu postworkout and 10iu pm on back and leg day - monday and thursday.
    Or the same schedule with 8iu.
    To be dosed with Humalin-R.
    i would guess that this is being combined with at least 6iu of GH, but probably more like8/9iu of gh, with 75mcg of T3 for full effect.

    How does that sound to you?

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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/12 11:25:38 (permalink)
    havent got the funds to use GH at this time, but i was going to add T3 @25mcg a day just to keep fat levels in check.

    but its not far off what i was thinking of
    10iu post-workout on training days
    10iu B4 breakfast on non training days
    weekends off.
    that ok? cheers for the input on the slin Big Les much appreciated!

    also quick update, chest lastnight.
    pre-exhaust flat flies x50
    triple drop on flies 8/7/8
    triple drop on shallow angle incline press (shoulder injury doesnt allow flat press)
    also thought id 'test my might' ala mortal kombat.
    1RM 110kg on incline press!!! im well impressed, i dont train for strength, and shoulder injury has hampered strength for 7 months.

    so im chuffed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/14 07:27:00 (permalink)
    Pete - not bad
    Personally I prefer Chad's approach but as I havent tried it I cant really comment. The only drawback with what you do is a possible problem with resistance, and apparently water retention come contest time, also insulin is the reason for pregnant bloated belly syndrome because it plays havoc with the carb up process when you have run it every day, as you have to cut the slin when you want rid of the water.

    Again I havent applied this. Personally I am leaving slin use until I am knocking on the door of my pro card.

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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/15 12:46:21 (permalink)
    in that case i shall try your apporach. i dont like water retention at the best of times. and belly is bloated enough from the food im consuming!

    also mini update, i think the test is starting to do its magic now. back and (supposed to be) bi's lastnight. after the back section of workout i had so much of a pump in my bi's i couldnt do them! physically couldnt do 3 reps! felt incredible though, never had that much blood in one muscle at any one time. NICE!

    i can only attribute this to the heptylate, as ive used TV before. kicking down to maintainance dose of test now (2ml E3D) due to lack of stocks at my source the slin might have to be added at a later date if any. arse. full update to come on mondays.
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/18 15:37:15 (permalink)


    weeks 2 update

    what a cracker!

    10lbs gain so far, this is now the heaviest ive ever been. no water retention pains still though my upper/middle back does ache if i stand around for to long, i can only put it down to being pumped up. either way its tolerable.

    psycologically i am stronger, i hope to prove that this week. i am training with a 310lb strongman/BBer tonight and for the rest of the week, he says i train like a pansy so hes goin to 'show me right'

    diet has been good so far
    sample, this isnt every day by any means
    (7.30 50g whey
    7.45 100ishg porridge oats with 3/4pt milk
    8.30 3 egg on 2 brown toast)
    i class that as breakfast

    10.30 burger + 40g whey + amino acid caps

    12.30 ......chicken and rice (sweet+sour/curry/chilli) it varies + protein bar

    3pm burger + protein bar + 20g whey + amino acid caps

    5pm beef based meal (small) + 20g whey + 100g maltodextrin for pre training

    5.45pm training (30g dextrose, 10g whey, 5g creatine)

    6.30 100g whey

    7.30 solid meal, something mum cooks[:p]

    9.30 whey before bed + aminos

    pre-mixed shakes are always on-hand throughout the night on my bedside cabinet

    thats a workout day,
    475g protein
    450g carbs
    125g fats
    4700cals, and to be honest if i didnt have that much supplementation i wouldnt be able to get my fill of food.

    as i say thats about average (ish) for a day some more some less, non training days i miss 100g whey and 100ish g carbs which balances out with my target cals nicely

    il post tomorrow when i get time, boss wants the PC now.

    il let you know if i have strength increases from new training partner this will be hard................

    TBC
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/19 16:24:54 (permalink)
    lastnight went well. chest and delts were the dish of the day.

    harder and more than usual....
    15 reps cablecrossover 30lbs
    40 x 40lbs
    triple drop 6x80lbs, 7x60lbs, 8x40lbs

    15 reps flat bench machine, 60lbs
    40 x 90lbs
    triple drop 175lbsx8, 130lbsx8 (reverse grip), 90lbsx8
    smith machine reverse grip incline press '21s'7.5kg each side (v.hard!)

    delts
    standing vertical press 20x (just the smith machine bar)
    20x10kg per side
    rear delt machine
    40x35lb warmup
    triple drop 70lbsx8, 50lbsx8, 40lbsx8

    done!
    was hard and started to flag after the flat bench machine. incline 21s were agony. vertical press was hard on my back, might try seated version when i next attempt it.

    all in all impressed
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/19 16:48:00 (permalink)
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    in that case i shall try your apporach. i dont like water retention at the best of times. and belly is bloated enough from the food im consuming!


    I will be very interested in seeing how this goes- I will be picking your brains on this one - as my knowldege is entirely theoretical and based on picking through chad and tom's snippets of info it will be very instructional indeed. oh [lus a tinsy winsy bit of research too.b

    Partciularly interested in how the 3 doses a day are handled blood sugar / carb intake wise.

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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/20 13:25:12 (permalink)
    another hard sesh lastnight. back/traps
    15x22.5kg dumbell pullovers
    30x32.5kg
    triple drop 45kgx6, 40kgx7, 32.5kgx8
    15x80lb wide grip latpulldown
    30x110lb
    triple drop 195lbx6, 165lbx6, 135x8
    15x30lb single arm cable side pull-ins(explanation to come)
    30x50lb
    triple drop 70lbx6, 50lbx6, 40lbx7

    traps
    15x shrug bar no weight
    30x 50kg each side (70kg total)
    triple drop 130kgx6, 110kgx6, 70kgx10
    45x 65kg on smith machine

    done! **** that was hard, Bi's were going to explode after the lat-pulldowns, heptylate reeeaaally working now, pump during the day is good.

    shins are starting to hurt now, so il be on glycerine 25ml in 1/2pint of warm water before bed, also 10mg tamoxifen. dandilion root caps ar ebeing upped to 2 caps/day
    cheated and weighed myself lastnight 239lbs
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/20 16:24:12 (permalink)
    It looks to be going well Pete. I really must investigate this heptylate, everyone loves the stuff.

    I was reading on the bio website - you are N/U over there, training with Gary - am I right?

    What's with the burgers? You near a Burger King or something - lol!
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/20 16:50:05 (permalink)
    hey tarw, yeah thats me NU. its not as hard as i thought it would be, but it does take it out of me. i slept like a baby for the last two nights.
    well there are two mcdonalds in town and there bacon cheeseburgers are nice, but tescos is at the back of my shop and they do frozen burgers. its just quick and easy with the microwave.
    do you view as a guest on bio? or are you signed in?
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    RE: cycle completed! + PICTURE!!!! 2003/08/22 12:19:24 (permalink)
    rite, hot hot hot workout lastnight. tri's bi's calves
    30x 30kg skullcrushers warmup
    triple drop 50kgx6, 40kgx6, 30kgx6
    30x30lbs overhead tricep extensions (each arm)
    lying tricep extensions(across the body, each arm) triple drop
    6x30lbs, 6x25lbs, 6x20lbs had to use other hand to help! and when i held my hand up for the last changeover of dumbells i couldnt hold it up to recieve the 20lbs bell! hard! very hard.
    reverse grip cable pulldowns triple drop (each arm)
    30lbx6
    20lbx8
    10lbx15
    bi's
    seated barbell curls
    10xjust bar
    35x30kg (weights including bar)
    triple drop 50kgx5, 40kgx5, 30kgx2(couldnt do it) barx9
    calves
    2 warmup sets on lying leg press with the balls of feet on edge
    30x250kg
    3 sets of 15x250kg (if you are still able to then others will push on your shoulders till failure

    done! hard again, but tolerable, had nice speckely stars in my eyes when doin bi's!
    staring to notice a bit of belly fat coming so il up my cardio to once a week and drop carbs a smidge, and see how it goes. weight is rising to dramatically and it cant all be muscle im 241lb now.
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