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2015/01/15 20:45:30 (permalink)
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deca - how to avoid low libido

Hey Guys. Appreciate everyones help in the past, this forum is great. Was hoping to get some suggestions. I am currently on TRT. My protocol is 200 mg's cypionate per week, Hcg 2x a week and anastro 2x a week. I am about to add equipoise and deca. I plan on going on a 16 to 20 week cycle of equipoise and 8 to 10 week cycle of deca. My main goal is to add as much mass to my calves so I look balanced, I'm not concerned with my upper body. While I am not huge by an means, I am satisfied with my upper body, I have 17" arms and 15 1/4" calves. I just look stupid. Been training forever and the last cycle I did was literally 20 years ago. Have been trying to grow the calves naturally ever since and I'm to the point where this is my last ditch effort. 

Here is my question, I am deathly afraid of deca dick, while I want to stack this with the equipoise and cypionate I am worried about the libido. How long and what dosage should I do with deca to avoid this and any suggestions on pct would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: deca - how to avoid low libido 2015/01/15 21:10:50 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/01/22 02:19:52
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200mg of test + HCG is a pretty hefty dose for TRT bro, I wouldn't call you "natural". And growing calves really boils down to training more than anything, lots and lots of training. If you're not hitting your calves hard enough to grow them now then I doubt even 1g of deca will make much difference, they don't respond that much to gear.
 
I'm not saying the gear won't help but your priority should be putting together a hell of a calf routine. I'd do something like 10 sets 3x a week.
 
Regarding the deca, proviron is always a good bet but it begs the question, if you're that afraid of deca dick why not just use something else instead?
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Re: deca - how to avoid low libido 2015/01/15 21:55:16 (permalink)
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Thanks Uriel, great point regarding the deca dick.  That's why I'm here, if the gear doesn't do that much to help then there is no point in going on it at all.  I know calves are a completely different monster than any other body part and don't want to risk crazy side effects for little gains.    
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Re: deca - how to avoid low libido 2015/01/15 23:05:56 (permalink)
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You're already running a low dose of test, if calves are really the only thing you want to grow then I wouldn't bother with any more steroids. Just start training them as hard and often as you possibly can, stubborn calves respond to volume, and usually nothing else.
 
Keep in mind what I'm gonna tell you now is highly theoretical and there's no real proof it works, but you might get some help from using drugs that can act locally. Free base steroids or some form of IGF injected pre/post your calf workout could speed things up. Free base test and MGF are relatively easy to find and affordable nowadays.
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Re: deca - how to avoid low libido 2015/01/16 00:43:43 (permalink)
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Hi Uriel.  Great advice, just read a great article about MGF below, I have never heard of it before.  Sounds like if anything will work it's this, theoretically of course, but it said in the article it's great for site growth.  Is this legal, I see it on a few sites for purchase, didn't know if they are legit if you bought them online?
 
http://www.evolutionary.o...mgf-igf-1ec-explained/
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Re: deca - how to avoid low libido 2015/01/16 04:50:33 (permalink)
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Hey Uriel.  can i lean out on a cypionate and equipoise cycle?
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Re: deca - how to avoid low libido 2015/01/16 07:53:29 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/01/22 02:20:25
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You can lean out on anything, some things will just help you more than others. You can lean out without any gear at all. Though it's said equipoise gives a lot of hunger which can make it a bit hard to control your food intake.
 
MGF is legal "for research purposes". There are some good peptide sources that carry it.
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Re: 2015/01/16 08:38:45 (permalink)
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I was under the impression and lead to believe that localised aas didn't grow that particular group but maybe that was in general not test base no idea about igf though
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Re: 2015/01/16 09:49:35 (permalink)
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I was under the impression and lead to believe that localised aas didn't grow that particular group but maybe that was in general not test base no idea about igf though

It's true for most steroids because most steroids have an ester attached. The ester makes the steroid virtually useless until it enters circulation and is removed by enzymes, freeing up the steroid itself.
 
Free base steroids have to ester attached, they immediately start working wherever you inject them. Of course they end up going systemic and acting all over the body in a few hours, but until they've completely cleared out their concentration remains much higher wherever you injected. This applies to test base, test suspension, tren base, injectable dbol and winstrol, all products you can find on the market today.
 
Same for peptides. That's why GH is commonly injected under the belly fat, it causes some localized fat burn before it's fully entered circulation.
 
Of course having high levels of anabolics in that muscle for an hour or two isn't going to cause a huge deal of growth (just like one training session by itself causes a marginal amount of growth), but over time, done every day over the course of weeks or months, it adds up.
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Re: 2015/01/16 10:41:42 (permalink)
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MGF has allowed some users to achieve localised growth.
This is achieved  by micro dosing and injecting the area many times.
Some people say that they get great results form MGF, others don`t see any benefit at all. 
There is some scientific evidence showing that MGF is effective but it isn`t conclusive.
 
I have used to help recover an injured ankle, I would say that it helped I used it alongside  GHRP-2 and ModGRF(1-29) .
 
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Re: 2015/01/16 11:07:54 (permalink)
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Scientific studies have consistently shown IGF-1 and related compounds to be anabolic in a somewhat localized way on both humans and rats. There are two issues though:
- Peptides are hard and expensive to produce, much more so than steroids, so the quality of the peptides commercially available may explain the inferior results people usually get compared to studies
- Peptides generally produce clean, pure contractile tissue hypertrophy, as opposed to most steroids that also increase water and glycogen retention causing a more dramatic gain in muscle mass. You should expect size gains from IGF-1 and related compounds along the lines of what you'd get from, say winstrol - very "compact", nothing too dramatic but very high quality.
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Re: 2015/01/16 12:23:43 (permalink)
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Thanks again guys, great great stuff......  I'm going to stay on the cypionate and start the equipoise this week, take my calf training to 3 days a week, maybe 5 days with two days of low weight high reps and three days training with the Dante's inferno technique.  The MGF sounds like my best option, meaning, I have nothing to lose.  My goal is one inch on the calf and lean out at the same time.  thanks again guys.  
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Re: 2015/01/16 22:20:12 (permalink)
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I had the same trouble with calves, found it very hard to make them grow.

I found very high volume, high frequency changed them dramatically - 15 inch to 17 inch, over time.

I used the Poliquin calf routine and slowly built it up to calves 3 days in a row, 1 day off.

I'd tried everything else, but thought cyclists have big calves, I'll give high volume & frequency a try :)
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Re: 2015/01/17 10:59:51 (permalink)
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Uriel: What injecting protocol would you recommend for MA46.
 
IMO he would be best off injecting micro doses many times (10 to 20) around the desired site.
 

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Re: 2015/01/17 12:22:50 (permalink)
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MA46? You lost me.
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Re: 2015/01/17 13:49:03 (permalink)
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^^^ LOL ....I was referring to the O.P. not a Peptide 
 

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Re: 2015/01/17 14:00:22 (permalink)
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Lol, slow day. I believe MGF is best used post workout but peptides aren't really my thing.
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Re: 2015/01/17 14:07:48 (permalink)
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Would Testogel work as a more site specific steroid? If so, I might start putting it on my calves for a boost.
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Re: 2015/01/17 14:09:02 (permalink)
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Would Testogel work as a more site specific steroid? If so, I might start putting it on my calves for a boost.
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Would Testogel work as a more site specific steroid? If so, I might start putting it on my calves for a boost.
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