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2004/03/12 19:35:56 (permalink)
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dip or bench?

For someone interested in the fighting arts and grappling etc would you think the bench press or the dip more beneficial and why?

I know what i think and will post shortly just want a few opinions.

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    Scourge_of_God
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/12 19:46:31 (permalink)
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    I don't think either of them are the most beneficial exercises you could be doing in training for martial arts but if I had to choose between them, I'd say the bench. Assuming your punching/elbowing technique is good, benching should help your upper body striking strength, especially if you do some kind of DE work with it - You are unlikely to be striking someone below you in a fight (which is what dips might simulate) or if you are, the fight's as good as won anyway. It could also be useful for pushing someone away from you in those arts where you need some distance between you and your opponent e.g. tae kwon do. I don't think you could say the same thing about dips.
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/12 21:08:33 (permalink)
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    Most Fighting Technique(s) invole hip rotation as their primary source of power, so bench does'nt really correlate as people would think, i would personally Go Dips as i feel Body Weight excercises will help more allowing you to control your own body wieght more! but again Niether of them will be as valuable as other excercises that can be incorparted.
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/13 08:50:19 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the replies so far and i know there are other exercises to consider here, i am just concerned with these two for the moment.

    Thanks

    AL
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/13 09:33:41 (permalink)
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    Both are fine IMO mate. If I had to choose one I would go with bench, as it more closely mimicks a pushing action.
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/13 10:07:32 (permalink)
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    You don't think that due to the fact that you are supported by the bench in the bench press and have to support yourself in the dip is a point in favour of the dip?

    Equally a mix of presses and dips may be better still, though i would have thought dumbells would be preferable to the barbell press even so.

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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/13 13:36:55 (permalink)
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    i wouldnt say that the bench press mimics a pushing action because when u push something u do not have the support of the bench behind u stopping u move backwards. a more appropriate exercise might be to use a cable machine and press/push whilst standing in a position similar to that of the martial art in question.
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/13 14:19:11 (permalink)
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    most martial arts punching uses the hips anyway. imagine how much weaker you'd be if you were suspended in the air without leg support
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/13 17:01:15 (permalink)
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    Dips would be beneficial to pounding a guy in mount or backmount position..
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/14 18:05:35 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Equally a mix of presses and dips may be better still

    Spot on mate.

    Personally I would never choose just one exercise and do only that, unless my goal was just to improve that exercise. For fighting, I think variety is key.

    Neither of the movements discussed are directly applicable to a fight situation. This does not matter at all, the martial arts training is where techniques that are applicable to a fight are practiced.

    In the gym we should simply aim to improve overall strength IMO. I feel that IF I had to pick one, then bench would be a better choice for a push movement. Though as I mentioned earlier, both are fine, as either will improve strength.
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/15 18:26:52 (permalink)
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    what about speed bench with bands, just an idea, got the best of both worlds then..
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/15 18:29:27 (permalink)
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    weighted pushups maybe, resembles the push motion but you support your own weight.
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/15 21:19:27 (permalink)
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    The best training for a fighting art is to get down the dojo and practice. Forget weights.
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/15 21:36:21 (permalink)
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    Robs got it spot on, Good thinking Champ!
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    RE: dip or bench? 2004/03/16 12:55:20 (permalink)
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    well i do martial arts and I don't think trying to approximate any martial arts movements with weights is needed, just train for explosive strength like a power lifter. You technique comes from your MA practice and your strength is from your weights. also dont neglect stamina. Most fights last seconds, but the fitter you are, the longer you can train.
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