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2014/11/26 13:15:10 (permalink)

do I really need a pct?

Hi all I'm in the last few days of a 5 week hdol 75mg cycle. I've put a bit of size on and am pretty positive about my first aas cycle. Though I haven't found it to be great at gaining strength or noticed a much better recovery in training.
I have 30 20 mg nolva for pct. But I don't feel any sides from taking hdol no shrunken balls, no Shut down get plenty of hardons etc. Is it worth taking the nolva?
Hdol seems so mild, wouldn't I be better off saving my nolva for pct after something stronger eg dbol? Seeing as hdol doesn't aromatize. Will it actually do anything for me
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 13:34:37 (permalink)
Just do squats every day for 3 weeks.  They will boost your natural test production back to normal levels.  Save the nolva as it is really expensive.
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 13:58:38 (permalink)
dafuq I just read
 
To answer your question, no you don't *need* PCT, but you'll wish you'd done it when you crash and start losing your gains. You're as shut down as shut down gets right now, you only don't notice it because the halo is keeping everything working for you.
post edited by Uriel - 2014/11/26 13:59:55
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 14:23:22 (permalink)
Always makes me laugh when someone says "i don't feel shut down" or "i am not shut down".

Fact is, you've just been providing your body with an external replacement for its own naturally produced testosterone. Your body decided to shut down while you were picking spots.

If you don't believe us, stop taking halo for 3 days then get a blood test .

Always a giggle on these forums.

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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 14:36:49 (permalink)
Lol. Should the squats be low bar or high bar? Would it help if I squatted naked?
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 14:42:49 (permalink)
I'm coming at this as a newb. Looking for advice, sorry if it sounds stupid like. It's my first experience with them, and the results seemed mild and the sides seemed non existent bar backpumps. How would u know if u were shutdown?
Also I paid as much for nolva as I did for the hdrol so not so cheap
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 14:50:41 (permalink)
I mean hdrol seems pretty mild. Would. You agree? I have no experience of other roids so can't compare. But I'd guess dbol would be more potent with more chance of harsher sides. But produce more of a noticable effect on strength and recovery. Or am I totally wrong?
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 14:56:32 (permalink)
PCT is by far the most important part of a cycle! 
 
Run a PCT mate!
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 15:04:11 (permalink)
Sides aren't linked to whether you are shut down or not.  Hdrol is known for being mild on sides and gains but still shuts you down.  SD and MIT are know for being harsh on sides but with big gains but the body is shut down just as much.  Hope that makes sense.
 
 
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 15:38:11 (permalink)
Yes. Cheers mate. Does the nolva work by boosting your natural t production rather than stopping estrogen production then? Bit confused there cause I've read that if people start getting gyno on cycle they take nolva while still on the gear. Does it work different on cycle to for pct
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 15:39:24 (permalink)
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I mean hdrol seems pretty mild. Would. You agree? I have no experience of other roids so can't compare. But I'd guess dbol would be more potent with more chance of harsher sides. But produce more of a noticable effect on strength and recovery. Or am I totally wrong?

Shut down wouldn't really be considered a side in that sense. Its a given when ingesting exogenous hormones.
 
And how mild or strong is generally based on effects not suppression. 
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 15:43:44 (permalink)
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I mean hdrol seems pretty mild. Would. You agree? I have no experience of other roids so can't compare. But I'd guess dbol would be more potent with more chance of harsher sides. But produce more of a noticable effect on strength and recovery. Or am I totally wrong?

Shut down wouldn't really be considered a side in that sense. Its a given when ingesting exogenous hormones.
 
And how mild or strong is generally based on effects not suppression. 

Cheers. Are shrunken balls a sign of shut down then? Or just a side effect of use
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 15:48:54 (permalink)
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I mean hdrol seems pretty mild. Would. You agree? I have no experience of other roids so can't compare. But I'd guess dbol would be more potent with more chance of harsher sides. But produce more of a noticable effect on strength and recovery. Or am I totally wrong?

Shut down wouldn't really be considered a side in that sense. Its a given when ingesting exogenous hormones.
 
And how mild or strong is generally based on effects not suppression. 

Cheers. Are shrunken balls a sign of shut down then? Or just a side effect of use

Shrunken nuts are a side that some people don't get, lucky b*stards
 
So can't be used as an indicator for everyone. Bloods will be the only way to be sure.
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 16:00:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DaveW3000 2014/11/26 16:05:21
Nolva blocks estrogen and it's primary use is to treat breast cancer. Works the same way for gyno which is why people on steroids started using it in the first place.
 
It also prevents your body from measuring estrogen levels which causes testosterone production to increase (because your body measures overall sex hormone levels rather than just androgens, so if the total is low overall production is increased to compensate). That's why people use it for PCT too.
 
Shrunken balls happens when they go unused for a long time. For some people this is a couple weeks, for others a couple months, depends. Because it can take a long time shut down before the testicles actually lose much size, they're not a reliable indicator.
 
If you just assume that your testosterone production is fully suppressed within a few days taking any anabolic steroid, you'll be right 99% of times. The other 1% is when you're using very low doses (like 50mg of test per week or 20mg of anavar a day) and you're only partially suppressed, but nobody ever uses so little.
post edited by Uriel - 2014/11/26 16:05:34
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 16:23:40 (permalink)
Thanks for the replies, think I'll play it smart and take my nolva.
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 16:26:56 (permalink)
yellobazza
Thanks for the replies, think I'll play it smart and take my nolva.

Good man! 
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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 17:44:14 (permalink)
Steroids work better using the suppository method too. Better absorption rate.

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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/26 20:35:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby newcastle 2014/11/26 20:42:02
KS_Manchester
Steroids work better using the suppository method too. Better absorption rate.

K

Tell u what mate. Take your advice and stick it up your arse






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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/27 18:32:23 (permalink)
...for better absorption, yes.

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Re: do I really need a pct? 2014/11/27 19:31:51 (permalink)
With a 'mild' cycle could you not do a OTC PCT - like ATD and DAA to kick start your natural testosterone? Anyone done this and found it to be efficient enough?
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