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2003/08/26 05:50:13 (permalink)

female nor-aderm diary(pic)

following on from my pro-hormone diary, mattster recommended transdermals so i am giving nor-aderm a try.

i will only be doing it for 2 weeks as on label, using 3 squirts 2 x daily. 2 weeks seems too short to see any results, but as i don't want to risk serious sides i will stick to it.

used yesterday for the first time, on inner wrists as thin skin with lot of veins, then realised i had to find gloves to do dishes, as i assume you cant wash the area over the next 12 hours.

the only thing i noticed was feeling a bit sick and stomach ache after about 1/2 hour, this happened both times. also i seemed hot all day.

trained in the evening but felt a bit tired and one of those sessions when i got disturbed by kids/dog almost every set.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/26 06:50:42 (permalink)
    Hi Levi, thanks again for sharing with us!!!
    Interesting read.
    Now what do you execpt from this second cycle?
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/26 09:25:07 (permalink)
    Just to put things in context, how are your diet and training routine generally?

    How does this transdermal differ form the oral you took before (in theory)

    Keep us updated...!
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/26 14:20:00 (permalink)
    the first cycle was to find out about dosage and effects, this one is hopefully more about results as i will be starting at the correct dosage.

    my diet and training will be more important this time. diet problems really are eating regularly and enough protein without too many carbs. i love bread and breakfast cereals.

    i am going to stick to the same training routine to gauge results better, but i feel like a change so will probably change at the end of the 2 weeks.

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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/26 18:43:55 (permalink)
    Hi, as a new comer to the forum I am amazed at how open people talk about taking 'unatural' substances particularly steroid and steroid like products. I appreciate many do this and some think it is necessary to do the same to compete. Do you not feel you are cheating yourselves by using such products? I am not being nasty or anything because I am a big believer in freedom of choice but as a Nutritional Therapist I am all for treating the body naturally and am so concerned on what imbalancing the system can do to long term health. Steroids were very hush hush when I used to compete so I am feel very niave reading all the info available!!
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/26 20:43:52 (permalink)
    it is hard to say whether its going to do any long term damage, but i'm 33 had all the children i'm going to have, going through menopause, and have thyroid failure (all before taking anything)so for me the risks are less.

    i dont compete and have no plans to so i just do it for how i want to look, if i dont like any changes i'll stop.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/26 20:53:15 (permalink)
    wow!! I find that incredible that you are going to such lengths and not competing!! I am also amazed that you are going through the menopause so young!! My mother is 57 and still having periods so that may mean another 20 years for me too!! I have no kids and don't want any. You never know though, you may like the look so much that you decide to compete. What is stopping you at the moment? I personally can't wait for the buzz you get from looking good and getting applause for it!
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/27 05:20:33 (permalink)
    i dont feel the need to compete, in the same way i do a lot of running and try to improve my times but dont ever race. i also put too much pressure on myself as it is with work/husband/kids to try to compete would be too much for everyone. i do it because i dont want to look mumsy, no sensible dresses and court shoes for this girl.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/27 10:10:06 (permalink)
    How much running are you doing atm Levi, because surely all that calorie burning is going to negate the mass building effects of any substances you take....it seems like trying to culk and bulk at the same time....not criticising what you are doing at all, but just something that occured to me. But then again, you put on mass with your last PH cycle so maybe you should just ignore me!lol
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/27 13:19:39 (permalink)
    liz - i had thought about that i eat carbs, bananas and chocolate(because its fast release-honest)when cutting i run on an empty stomach. also i've just got back up to full distance again after injuries, but i'm not running very fast as i am still in some pain so i expect i am in fat burning zone. it is a problem but i love running.

    the only thing i have noticed so far is feeling tired and more vascular(yuck)so veins hurt a bit but this may be the heat.

    today someone i work with said i had very muscley arms, i dont know why but i was really embarrassed, which made him embarrassed too. i could never cope with competing.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/27 14:03:47 (permalink)
    Yes, I know what you mean with conflicts of exercise interest..

    You will have to expect a few comments if you are changing your body -thats great that someone noticed your arms already!
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/27 17:14:15 (permalink)
    Good luck levi - and thanks for the mention!
    Ill be following ya progress with interest!
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/28 02:30:36 (permalink)
    this info is invaluable, Levi!! hope it works out well for you. will be waiting anxiously for your updates as this is something of interest to me. out of curiosity, what brand are you using?
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/28 05:14:28 (permalink)
    tank-avant labs.

    gym last night, i did legs and chest, bis, shoulders. which is 2 workouts really but i wanted to go shopping tonight(i'm still female then)i felt a little stronger, but tired at the end as it was too long, very vascular (is there anything you can do to get rid of these). muscles and veins hurt afterwards and this morning.

    my skin is greasy this morning, so i think it is starting to work.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/28 07:00:28 (permalink)
    vascular is good. means its working. i don't think you could have big muscles without the accompanying enlargment of the blood vessels supplying them. just my 2 cents.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/28 16:33:07 (permalink)
    I get the same greesy ness off the Super One + levi, i think its the extra test etc.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/28 19:47:19 (permalink)
    Levi,
    U may have read this but came accross it else where so may be interesting:-

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    I'm helping a girlfriend with her training, diet, and supplementation. She has a great body and is in great shape. She wants to get jacked, though and is considering a transdermal PH.

    How much ONE ed would be optimal for a girl (5'7, 135 20% bf)? If side effects start to come on and she reduces dose or discontinues use, will the sides be PERMANENT?

    How much Nor-ADerm would be optimal ed?

    I have told her about the potential sides that come with using a PH, but she is mostly concerned with whether or not they will be permanent.



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    One should never be used by women as it has androgenic effects which will be permanent such as deepening of the voice or enlargment of the clitoris.

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    Duque, you have that backwards:

    1,4Andro (Boldione--Boldenone precursor) is the "safest" among the three, that said and set only within the context of the other two.

    4-Diol has been used by females, but generally by the way of Cyclodextrins; Cyclo-Diol and Cyclo-Diol fizz by Ergopharm.

    It's not that ONE couldn't be used, however, it's not the best option in light of others. Side-effects can be permanent---and if a female I'd stop at any first sign of voice alteration, clitoral enlargement, so on.

    Short cycles would be best. Nor-Diol can be used, and, I'd use only small amounts if by topical--perhaps 2 squirts, 2 times per day.

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    Oh, excuse me..I meant to put 3-alpha instead of 1,4 andro..My bad.

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    QUOTE (Dante @ Mar 15 2003, 02:57 PM)
    Duque, you have that backwards:

    1,4Andro (Boldione--Boldenone precursor) is the "safest" among the three, that said and set only within the context of the other two.

    4-Diol has been used by females, but generally by the way of Cyclodextrins; Cyclo-Diol and Cyclo-Diol fizz by Ergopharm.

    It's not that ONE couldn't be used, however, it's not the best option in light of others. Side-effects can be permanent---and if a female I'd stop at any first sign of voice alteration, clitoral enlargement, so on.

    Short cycles would be best. Nor-Diol can be used, and, I'd use only small amounts if by topical--perhaps 2 squirts, 2 times per day.

    I sat down with my girl friend and explained everything to her. She still has her heart set in trying something and we decided to go with 1,4 andro. How much would be the optimal dose ed and would she need to take any 6-OXO, etc afterward?



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    I wouldn't use 6OXO afteward. The decrease in Estrogen could be very problematic for her. I would however keep to relatively short-cycles. Two-weeks on, two off.

    As for 1,4 Andro, perhaps 200 mgs per day (100 mgs, two times).

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    Use 1/2 minimum men's dose of 19-Nor for an indefinite period (women don't need to "cycle" as long as dose is kept low). Hydroxy-testosterone also shows some promise for women having a high anabolic/ androgenic ratio so it can be used in a small dose. 1,4 andro is more androgenic than 19-nor and less anabolic I would not use it if I were a girl. IMO 1,4 andro is only usefull as a stacking agent when used with a diol prohormone.

    I actualy have a low androgen discounted stack at androshack.com ; women should use 1/2 the men's dose. Another technique for more hardcore girls is to slowly increase dosage until sides start to appear then back off a little bit.

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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/28 20:46:20 (permalink)
    thanks i hadn't found that, interesting but its like all the things i have found its men talking about what women should experience, rather than women talking about what actually happened.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/28 21:06:44 (permalink)
    i didn't run this morning as rest day, so went on cross-trainer. i have been putting it on torture setting where you put in the heart rate you want to maintain and if you dont go fast enough it ups the resistance. horrible but effective. today it stayed at level 7, normally its 9. so my heart rate must be faster for less effort. not sure what this means if anything.

    i stupidly put gel on my forearms then went testing swimming pool water so washed it off, i applied it again at lunchtime, so no harm done hopefully.
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    RE: female nor-aderm diary(pic) 2003/08/29 19:53:12 (permalink)
    my weight is up a bit and bf% down
    really good run this morning, felt strong and comfortable. first time in ages due to injuries, it was raining and i love running in the rain. now i am back to full distance again i timed myself. my route and distance have changed so this is the first time at 65.40.

    gym session bad again, tired and lethargic, wasn't enjoying it so gave up and will try again tomorrow rather than struggle through a useless session.

    while this increases hardness and vascularity, as yet no increase in strength like with cyclonordiol so i think i am going to take 1/2 scoop of cyclonordiol 1/2 hour before and see if this helps.

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