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2009/07/23 22:18:17 (permalink)
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first cycle

been training for a year and a half now, made steady progress but seem to have platoed.

im going to get some ''hardcore test booster'' or '' pro hormone''

i looked into Applied Nutriceuticals The One with 2nd gear aswell but seems the PCT isnt up to much.

also
Pharma Labs Tren Bomb and Chaparral Labs Trenavol-V - 90 Caps

they all seem pretty good but i need a second opinion. i want something i can buy OTC preferably with an OTC PCT

but i can easily source any type of PCT

im after some strength gains but the main aim is to gain size.

im 20, 11st3oz (on zero carbs at the moment)

roughly my lifts

flat bench                80kg/8reps/3sets
deadlift                   130kg/10reps/4sets
d/bell shoulder press  25kgx2/10reps/4sets

that was before zero carbs now lost 2-3 reps. so what would you recommend?
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    Re:first cycle 2009/07/23 23:05:20 (permalink)
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    TBH you can continue to make gains by altering your diet and training regime.  No need to jump straight to exogenous hormones.  You ar 20 and your natural testosterone levels should be sky-high right now.  In fact they will never be this high again (it's all downhill after 21-22).  Take advantage of your natural hormones before you start to use synthetic ones.  You'll thanks me down the road.

    People start using PH's and DS's far too early.  I am of the opinion that one should have a decent base before using such products.  For me, this would include a 140kg deadlift, 140kg squat and a 100kg bench.


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    Re:first cycle 2009/07/23 23:11:50 (permalink)
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    Daari

    TBH you can continue to make gains by altering your diet and training regime.  No need to jump straight to exogenous hormones.  You ar 20 and your natural testosterone levels should be sky-high right now.  In fact they will never be this high again (it's all downhill after 21-22).  Take advantage of your natural hormones before you start to use synthetic ones.  You'll thanks me down the road.

    People start using PH's and DS's far too early.  I am of the opinion that one should have a decent base before using such products.  For me, this would include a 140kg deadlift, 140kg squat and a 100kg bench.


    i can see where you are coming from. but been stuck at 80kg for about 3 months now. ive lifted 100kg bench for two reps but dont like to do that as i train on my own quite often. could probably manage the 130kg deadlift ok worry about my back thow. squats no chance still coming back from a knee injury so may not be able to risk that weight on squats.

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    Re:first cycle 2009/07/23 23:14:55 (permalink)
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    if you've been stuck on 80 for a while look at your diet and training regime.  Try a different routine and increase protein intake.  You could even look into creatine supplementation
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    Re:first cycle 2009/07/23 23:25:04 (permalink)
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    my diet has always been clean always got carbs from oats and wholegrain pasta lots of meat for protein + fat and good fats only. i dont know. ive been on a three day split

    chest/tri's
    back/bi's
    shoulders

    i incorporated legs into my routine per section i.e

    when doing tri's i did leg extensions
    bi's leg curls
    back squats
    shoulders calf raises

    if taht makes sence. what about full body 3 times a week instead of a split?

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    Re:first cycle 2009/07/24 00:12:24 (permalink)
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    check your PM
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    Re:first cycle 2009/07/24 00:39:06 (permalink)
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    Swap to DB's for benching, really helps increase your bar bench. Also after 6 ish weeks in a routine I would change it. Change the reps, sets, split, days, exercises. Gotta keep your body guessing. I would also say that legs is a big day and should all be done at once. I find if I train legs I can rarely hit another body part as I'm so spent (unless its some curls)!!

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    Re:first cycle 2009/07/24 23:14:08 (permalink)
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    used to do dumbells but someone crashed into me recently and they hurt my back. so stayng with bench

    gonna put a post in routines forum
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    Re:first cycle 2009/07/28 19:18:39 (permalink)
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    dumbells ont hurt any more ;)
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