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2007/06/07 07:15:44 (permalink)

first roid cycle

hi guys i just need some advice on what i should for my first cycle. Well i have dbol and nolvadex ready but i know that dbol ywill lose almost all your gain after your done wit the cycle but anyway. My friend tried it and he kept 11 pounds after his cycle so i dont know if that will happen to me i just dont want to lose it all. But i know it would work better if i try it with a form of test i was thinking sustanon but i need some advice please on the cycle and the amount of dosage for me.
Anyway remember this is my first cycle and also im 19yrs and i weigh 166.
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    jnr2006
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 07:23:23 (permalink)
    wait till your 21 yrs + mate before even thinking about a cycle and at 166lbs i'm sure you have alot more gorwing to do naturally.. Eat big,train hard and grow mate...
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 07:33:39 (permalink)
    19 is young- and at 166 you need to get your diet figured.

    Eat/Eat/Eat You can gain like mad at 19 if you just eat good solid foods and supplement.

    Try to eat 300-350 protien (no more than 100 in powders) and 500-600 in carbs. Dont worry about fats now.

    If you do the dbol now you risk killing your natrually high Test levels and setting them to a +25 year old level.

    But in the end it up to you.
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    slackedogg
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 07:44:34 (permalink)
    thanks for the advice anyway i use to weigh 195 and went down to 150 and then i started working out for like 8 weeks and gained till i was 165
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 08:29:59 (permalink)
    honestly?

    i would go with the advice above along with dropping the "roid" and using gear, meds or something a little less crude

    IMO you seem and i say seem too young and 'small'

    post your height, how long you have trained, rough BF% and full diet in time form

    give us some more background
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 08:43:09 (permalink)
    ok I apoligize for that anyway.
    im 5'7 like i said i weigh 166 and bf i think is roughly 18-22%
    and ive been working out steady for 8weeks at 6 days a week with sundays rest and before that i was usually just running or play ddr to lose some fat. And now through my bulking cycle for the first 4 weeks i been taking protein shakes and creatine with some nano and ive been eating for breakfast 2 packs of oatmeals and a protein shake and an apple (or some kind of fruit)then about 2 hrs later id go to the gym and drink a protein shake before and after the gym. my next meal is 3 hrs later and usually eat rice and chicken lol(Im spanish) anyway then about 3 hours later i eat a plain grill chicken and i eat that everyday. but anyway i usually try to store in more than 3000 in calories each day. I know this diet plan sux but i live with my mom and she cooks the food so i dont really buy my stuff and also i tend to eat anything i have. Usually alot of carbs and proteins im keeping it at 150g of protein a day and 300g of carbs. Well this is my diet plan i may be off in some food intake but still i get around that much each day and i know this sux but it worked for me. I did gain about 15 pounds of lean muscle in about 9 weeks. I know there might be more gain from me because like i said i was 190 and i basically lost about 45 pounds in fat and then put on 15 in muscle.
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 08:49:42 (permalink)
    ok, you know this is a lame diet so I will not comment any further. I suggest you turn straight to the "diet and nutrition" section and set out your diet in detail there - you should get some constructive help there.

    Also, mate, you've been "working out for 8 weeks"! Don't you think you're being a little impatient? And if you've gained "15 lbs of lean muscle" in 8 weeks, then why would you need steroids anyway?
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 08:54:57 (permalink)
    from the above?

    IMO you are as suitable a candidate for a steroid use as rik waller is a representative for healthy eating and exercise

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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 09:23:35 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: big_mal

    ok, you know this is a lame diet so I will not comment any further. I suggest you turn straight to the "diet and nutrition" section and set out your diet in detail there - you should get some constructive help there.

    Also, mate, you've been "working out for 8 weeks"! Don't you think you're being a little impatient? And if you've gained "15 lbs of lean muscle" in 8 weeks, then why would you need steroids anyway?


    Good advice IMO ^^^^^^^^^^^

    IMO you are as suitable a candidate for a steroid use as rik waller is a representative for healthy eating and exercise


    LOL @ Toxic
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 10:00:15 (permalink)
    Your joking right?
    planning on using gear after 8 weeks..??

    Toxic hhahahahaha

    Shut up and squat

    UGM
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 11:28:17 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: slackedogg
    im 5'7 like i said i weigh 166 and bf i think is roughly 18-22%



    ok, lets go for 20% bf for arguments sake. If you were a relatively lean 10% you would weigh under 150lb. You've been working out for 8 weeks. You think it might be an idea to start steroids. Reality check time mate.

    Read this:


    Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


    1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


    2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


    3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


    4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


    The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


    For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

    Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



    There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

    Acne
    Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
    Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
    Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
    Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
    Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
    Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
    Possible sexual dysfunction
    Testicle shrinkage
    Temporary infertility
    Changes in blood lipids
    Increases in blood pressure
    Oedema



     
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 16:46:21 (permalink)
    well i know i didnt have a good diet plan but still i feel like i dont think i can get bigger but i guess ill save it take it in like 6 months that should be good. anyway i did workout before my 8 weeks i said i would run and i did that for like a year straight 3 times a week. But thanks for the advice guys.
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 17:20:32 (permalink)
    6 months really isnt long enough either
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 17:32:30 (permalink)
    then how long then i got to wait like 7 years lol so i get proper training what a joke.
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 17:40:40 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: slackedogg

    then how long then i got to wait like 7 years lol so i get proper training what a joke.


    nobody's going to tell you what to do. People are giving you good advice, sorry you think it's a joke.

    You are young and fairly light, with plenty of natural progress to make after a few diet changes.
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 18:18:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: slackedogg

    then how long then i got to wait like 7 years lol so i get proper training what a joke.


    you dont think that its "proper training"unless you are using gear ?
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 18:18:21 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: slackedogg

    then how long then i got to wait like 7 years lol so i get proper training what a joke.


    No, 2 years.

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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 18:18:46 (permalink)
    your right anyway well i guess i wont do it for the next couple of years but my only prob is my diet i know i my diet sux but i cant always be there to get like 6 to 7 meals a day. I mean i go to school (college) the gym and i have a job so i dont know how people do it i mean i can set up a diet of like 4 meals a day i dont know what to do is there any one here with a good advice on it?
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 18:21:23 (permalink)
    Refer to the articles section........

    And yes you can get a diet sorted for college easy peasy

    Shut up and squat

    UGM
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    RE: first roid cycle 2007/06/07 18:22:34 (permalink)
    Yes

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