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2014/11/02 03:50:39 (permalink)
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'half designer steroids are crap' Study

interesting. just goes to show we really don't have a clue what we put into our bodies, what it's doing to us and just how dubious these manufacturers are.
 
http://www.ergo-log.com/o...ted-half-are-crap.html
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/02 08:54:41 (permalink)
Not long ago I was in a discussion on this forum over the use of legal designer steroids vs illegal underground lab steroids. One of the arguments used in defense of designers was that they were legal therefore controlled therefore you got what was on the label while with UGLs you never know. I disagreed on the basis that faking products is extremely common in the supplement industry and I doubt designer steroids are an exception.
 
I rest my case.
 
Using designers is no different from buying illegal steroids (except for the illegal part of course) - you could be taking any sort of crap instead of what's listed on the label, all one can do is look for and stick with the most trusted sources.
post edited by Uriel - 2014/11/02 08:57:43
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/02 09:34:44 (permalink)
Typical, just take what is tested;)

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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/02 09:57:02 (permalink)
Stick with the tried and tested brands.

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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/02 10:41:16 (permalink)
Interesting .. .. .. I llike the sound of dihydroDMT.

I smoke. A lot. And i eat full fat mayo. So suck on that! ;-)
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/02 17:09:50 (permalink)
Surprised to see ChapLabs and CEL in the list.

DiHydroDMT - i wonder what sides and gains?!?

Do Black China Labs provide CoQ for their raws or products??

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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/02 17:41:43 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/11/03 23:07:14

post edited by henryv - 2015/01/08 14:03:19
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/02 19:47:50 (permalink)
This can also explain the "hit and miss" factor associated with certain designers. Unless one has some sort of genetic defect, there's no reason why any anabolic steroid shouldn't work for them, or should work dramatically differently than on other people. We are all different but we're never that different.
 
Those people who say they took like 50mg of epistane and got nothing at all, probably weren't taking epistane at all, or weren't taking anywhere near 50mg, for example.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/03 21:19:22 (permalink)
KS_Manchester
Stick with the tried and tested brands.

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Agreed. Stick with what you know to be good stuff.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/03 21:21:08 (permalink)
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This can also explain the "hit and miss" factor associated with certain designers. Unless one has some sort of genetic defect, there's no reason why any anabolic steroid shouldn't work for them, or should work dramatically differently than on other people. We are all different but we're never that different.
 
Those people who say they took like 50mg of epistane and got nothing at all, probably weren't taking epistane at all, or weren't taking anywhere near 50mg, for example.




Also agreed. Chemistry is chemistry, and while we have different balances (hormones, neurotransmitter stores, fat/msucle, etc.) for various reasons that doesn't change what does what and where. Livers work the same with the same chemicals, blood is made of mostly the same stuff, etc.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/03 23:03:39 (permalink)
If you stab yourself in the face, it hurts, etc.

Lol

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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/03 23:10:12 (permalink)
Posted on phf a while ago.
Given that most of what was tested was seriously out of date, not much valid can be taken from it.
Especially the epi products, as they "degrade" to phera, believe henry v has an article on his blog about this.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/03 23:37:48 (permalink)
10mg Epi degrades to 12mg Phera? I had no idea that was possible.

A lot can be read into that, out of date or no - most are totally different compounds.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/03 23:56:38 (permalink)
Yup.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/03 23:57:27 (permalink)
d who would be disappointed with getting 12mg phera instead of 10mg epi? 
 
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/04 08:13:38 (permalink)
Don't see how that's possible. The difference between the two is basically one more sulphur atom for the epistane and one less methyl group (CH3). Now sulphur has an atomic weight of 32, vs 12 for carbon and 1 for hydrogen. One sulphur atom weights more than one carbon and three hydrogens, there's no way a given number of molecules of epistane would degrade to phera without losing mass.
 
Are you sure it's not the other way around?
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/04 09:20:23 (permalink)
Uriel
Don't see how that's possible. The difference between the two is basically one more sulphur atom for the epistane and one less methyl group (CH3). Now sulphur has an atomic weight of 32, vs 12 for carbon and 1 for hydrogen. One sulphur atom weights more than one carbon and three hydrogens, there's no way a given number of molecules of epistane would degrade to phera without losing mass.
 
Are you sure it's not the other way around?


I think Dorian was being facetious.
Epistane has the same number of methyl groups as phera (3). The molecular weights for epistane and phera are 320.53248 and 288.46748g/mol respectively.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/04 10:45:16 (permalink)
Yeah, think you missed the sarcasm, Uriel.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/04 13:56:08 (permalink)
In my defense I'd just gotten out of bed.
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Re: 'half designer steroids are crap' Study 2014/11/04 14:18:52 (permalink)
simonboyleEspecially the epi products, as they "degrade" to phera, believe henry v has an article on his blog about this.

For anyone interested: http://www.totalflexblog....tane-convert-to-phera/
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