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2006/07/10 11:55:43 (permalink)

has bodybuilding gone too far??

i have just been readin a few of the posts and im amazed at how technical and indepth bodybuilding has become. dont ya think its all gone a little to far? ie percentages of this, and the correct timing of that and make sure this ratio matches that one????? how did the pioneers of bodybuilding go on with out all this info? steve reeves, atlas etc. my point is they did get on, they did get big muscular bodies without protein shakes and ratios and percentages! they just eat big and trained. isnt that it? the basis to any bodybuilding program should be dedication, eatin and trainin. end of story, forget the rest. anyone agree?
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 11:57:24 (permalink)
    IMO the underlaying factor throughout all time, has been consistency


    Cant see that changing anytime soon, no matter what advances we make with science/nutrition etc.


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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 11:59:40 (permalink)
    it's just like any other sport - more and more scientific. If you look at athletics, boxing, football, whatever, there are lots of changes as people get more and more serious. doesn't mean you have to follow it, if you just want to eat big and train then that's fine.

    you can't argue with the results though - look at modern pro bodybuilder physiques.
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 12:00:01 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: mikejay

    i have just been readin a few of the posts and im amazed at how technical and indepth bodybuilding has become. dont ya think its all gone a little to far? ie percentages of this, and the correct timing of that and make sure this ratio matches that one????? how did the pioneers of bodybuilding go on with out all this info? steve reeves, atlas etc. my point is they did get on, they did get big muscular bodies without protein shakes and ratios and percentages! they just eat big and trained. isnt that it? the basis to any bodybuilding program should be dedication, eatin and trainin. end of story, forget the rest. anyone agree?

    I have researched most major nutritional factors in bodybuilding in extensive detail, and I ahve to say that on the whole I agree with you - people are way too faddy.

    Eat big and well + train hard + be consistant = big muscles

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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 12:00:50 (permalink)
    It is possible to get too anal about it all and I think it takes all the fun out of the training but some people are so hungry to be the top dog they'll go to any length to win
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 12:02:32 (permalink)
    its down to individuals how far they want to go with something.

    Skill over Will
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 12:04:14 (permalink)
    I found that once i gave up all this pedantic eating at exact times gains came a lot easier. Just eat as much as you can as often as you can and watch the muscle come.

    sub
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 12:08:31 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: James


    ORIGINAL: mikejay

    i have just been readin a few of the posts and im amazed at how technical and indepth bodybuilding has become. dont ya think its all gone a little to far? ie percentages of this, and the correct timing of that and make sure this ratio matches that one????? how did the pioneers of bodybuilding go on with out all this info? steve reeves, atlas etc. my point is they did get on, they did get big muscular bodies without protein shakes and ratios and percentages! they just eat big and trained. isnt that it? the basis to any bodybuilding program should be dedication, eatin and trainin. end of story, forget the rest. anyone agree?

    I have researched most major nutritional factors in bodybuilding in extensive detail, and I ahve to say that on the whole I agree with you - people are way too faddy.

    Eat big and well + train hard + be consistant = big muscles

    thats it in a nut shell!
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 12:26:25 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: mikejay

    i have just been readin a few of the posts and im amazed at how technical and indepth bodybuilding has become. dont ya think its all gone a little to far? ie percentages of this, and the correct timing of that and make sure this ratio matches that one????? how did the pioneers of bodybuilding go on with out all this info? steve reeves, atlas etc. my point is they did get on, they did get big muscular bodies without protein shakes and ratios and percentages! they just eat big and trained. isnt that it? the basis to any bodybuilding program should be dedication, eatin and trainin. end of story, forget the rest. anyone agree?

    I see what you mean, but I don't agree

    Reason I don't agree is that everyone has the choice of exactly how far they want to take things

    For example my main area of interest is drugs of all kinds. Now for example in order to cycle steroids effectively there is no reason to understand the androgen receptor in detail. So most people never look into this. But if you really have the interest, then you can look into it. See what I mean? People only take things as far as they personally want to. So I don't think things can be taken too far as such
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 12:28:37 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: sub_z3ro

    I found that once i gave up all this pedantic eating at exact times gains came a lot easier. Just eat as much as you can as often as you can and watch the muscle come.

    sub


    I'm the opposite, I was eating as much as i could whenever i could, i got gains but always felt groggy. Then i started eating well timed meals at set times and my gains have been much better and i feel much beter too. Different for different people i guess.

    "cammmone Haney"
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 13:04:05 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: James


    ORIGINAL: mikejay

    i have just been readin a few of the posts and im amazed at how technical and indepth bodybuilding has become. dont ya think its all gone a little to far? ie percentages of this, and the correct timing of that and make sure this ratio matches that one????? how did the pioneers of bodybuilding go on with out all this info? steve reeves, atlas etc. my point is they did get on, they did get big muscular bodies without protein shakes and ratios and percentages! they just eat big and trained. isnt that it? the basis to any bodybuilding program should be dedication, eatin and trainin. end of story, forget the rest. anyone agree?

    I have researched most major nutritional factors in bodybuilding in extensive detail, and I ahve to say that on the whole I agree with you - people are way too faddy.

    Eat big and well + train hard + be consistant = big muscles

    nail on the head
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 13:17:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: James


    ORIGINAL: mikejay

    i have just been readin a few of the posts and im amazed at how technical and indepth bodybuilding has become. dont ya think its all gone a little to far? ie percentages of this, and the correct timing of that and make sure this ratio matches that one????? how did the pioneers of bodybuilding go on with out all this info? steve reeves, atlas etc. my point is they did get on, they did get big muscular bodies without protein shakes and ratios and percentages! they just eat big and trained. isnt that it? the basis to any bodybuilding program should be dedication, eatin and trainin. end of story, forget the rest. anyone agree?

    I have researched most major nutritional factors in bodybuilding in extensive detail, and I ahve to say that on the whole I agree with you - people are way too faddy.

    Eat big and well + train hard + be consistant = big muscles



    But for a competitor that simply isnt enough. If it was that simple, we would all be stepping on stage.

    To get even a decent BB type physique, requires much more than this imo.

    tbip2001

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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 13:31:54 (permalink)
    personally, i tend to read as much as possible about something and its counter-aspects before practicing,

    ie/ bodybuilding- nutirition, science, philosophy etc..

    this proved to be a great stepping stone into the knowledge of productive bodybuilding, so each to their own imo as to how far they want to take something. the rule applies to every sport, activity and way of life.
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 15:04:35 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: tbip2001


    ORIGINAL: James
    I have researched most major nutritional factors in bodybuilding in extensive detail, and I ahve to say that on the whole I agree with you - people are way too faddy.

    Eat big and well + train hard + be consistant = big muscles



    But for a competitor that simply isnt enough. If it was that simple, we would all be stepping on stage.

    To get even a decent BB type physique, requires much more than this imo.

    tbip2001

    As you may/may not know I help alot of top athletes and bodybuilders get ready for competitions. My points were primarily aimed at off season, which is what I felt Mike was getting at here. Of course, fine tuning for the 10-12 weeks pre comp is crucial, but even for an off season Olympian, they need to keep it simple.

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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 15:12:07 (permalink)
    Heard excellent things as i expected James the other day actually from someone you helped with competition prep, he was on a course i was on the other week.

    Bodybuilding stars of tomorrow, Lee his name was.
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 15:41:32 (permalink)
    bodybuilding will have gone too far when people start using oxygen tents for lifts lol
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/10 15:47:22 (permalink)
    You say 'bodybuilding' but people only take it as far as they want to. I lift weights but I don't count calories or ratios or even maintain a consistent diet because I'm not interested in it as long as I'm still getting stronger.
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/12 01:58:44 (permalink)
    Over complicating things IMO.
    The basics as mentioned never fail to produce results.
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/12 02:47:28 (permalink)
    some things can get too complicated and become conter productive
    training can deffinatly... the odd object cr@p that people were hell bent on doing a few years ago was madness
    and the overtraining thing and not ever going to failure for fear of your head exploding
    the old basics work with minor tweaks to exploit what works for you best.
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    RE: has bodybuilding gone too far?? 2006/07/12 02:58:21 (permalink)
    Eat big and well + train hard + be consistant = big muscles

    isnt it more like : Eat big and well + train hard + be consistant + steroids = big muscles

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