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2003/06/23 22:19:30 (permalink)

heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo

...a martial artist's journal, or would you find it dead boring?
(I got broad shoulders so give it me straight!)

I promise to stick to the strength building part mainly, which is the reason I frequent MuscleTalk.

I am no expert in the iron game, so I know I will be making thousands of mistakes, which is hopefully where I would need your valuable input.

Thanks for your opinions
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/23 22:24:28 (permalink)
    Definately mate, the more variety we get here the better. And if it helps your training too then go for it. We have loads of 'fighters' here so I'm sure it would be popular.

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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/24 08:49:23 (permalink)
    Definitely!
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/24 09:14:45 (permalink)
    yes, very much! go for it mate. It would be good to hear how you train your functional strength with martial arts in mind.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/24 14:12:01 (permalink)
    For sure! Go for it mate.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/24 22:22:14 (permalink)
    OK folks, here goes:
    The goals:
    1/ get fitter to last 4 minute randori's without running out of steam
    2/ add more power so that my fave techniques work better
    3/ lose surplus fat to gain a power to weight advantage, ie: to move faster

    Am currently on my 3rd cycle, test only. I like it because the increase in power and size has come in slowly and steadily, rather than the first two cycles with dbol+test+deca where I got too heavy and lost too much stamina.

    Currently am preparing for a visit to the Kodokan in August in Japan, the Mecca of judo. If things go well, maybe will attempt to get graded for 3rd dan. I guess it all depends on the level I find when I get there.

    Next big event are the Nationals in October. 2 years in a row I got bronze, I really have to break thru and go for the big one this time round. It wont be easy but isn't unobtainable although am up against some chaps 20 years younger. Stamina is important here.

    Weights: I work out chest, back, arms and shoulders, legs, all on seperate days. I don't have a fixed day coz shift working doesn't permit me to.
    When I have three days work coming up where there isn't a chance of going to the gym, I do an extra hard session to make up for it, then recover sitting in front of my monitor.
    If there is a hard judo session coming up, I may take the preceeding day off. I never do legs the day before judo. I did once, and got killed.

    Thanks to MT, have really been putting max effort into SLDL's. I never knew just how great they are! started off with 60kgs to learn how to do it. Did scores of sets to get the form right. Last session, did 4 sets of eight with 150kgs. Don't laugh. Its a beginning! trouble is that in my gym there aren't any more discs.

    Diet: 6 days a week I eat a half chicken for dinner, eat plenty of raw fish for breakfast lunch or dinner. Keeping carbs average quantity, but good quality. Eat at least 15 oranges aweek, 10 apples, tuna or sardines from tins at work. All day am guzzling whey in water or milk. Cow juice is free at work so I drink a lot.
    Taking clen most days. Before a big judo meet I take an eph, as long as I left a clen free day in between.

    I am digging out pics of before I started with weights and will post new ones soon.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/24 22:43:09 (permalink)
    back in October 2001 with the medals and trophies picked up that year:
    http://www.ciaou.com/mt/oct01.jpg
    the fat slob I'd become back in December 01, taken with my mum:
    http://www.ciaou.com/mt/dec01.jpg
    beginning to get my act together in March 2002
    http://www.ciaou.com/mt/march02.jpg
    All these pics are pre-gear.
    Next lot will be from the Dark Side.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/25 09:24:25 (permalink)
    Is that 4 sets of 8 with 150kgs of stiff leg deadlifts? If it is I wouldn't be worried about people laughing at the amount of weight you are using!!
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/25 09:29:39 (permalink)
    8 reps of 150kg is pretty good mate! What's your normal DL like?
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/25 11:12:36 (permalink)
    normal DL? erm.... I only learned how to do stiff legged ones so far. I told you I was a beginner at this. I keep legs just a nats off being locked back as somehow locked knees make me feel that they could get damaged, then use the back and hams to lift the weight up. I make sure my head is up as much as possible and my back is arched back as far as it will go. After the workout, it felt like lower back and hams were tired along with upper back. These are just the muscles I want to hit for more power to do Harai goshi's with.
    ( http://www.judoinfosite.nl/NL/pages/heupworp/haraigoshi.htm )
    The first stage which is lifting the other guy up, needs a lot of back work.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/25 11:37:48 (permalink)
    Thats one mean stiff legged dead!
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/25 16:35:09 (permalink)
    Thanks for that! someone said somewhere that they are the best exercise to add bulk and thats what I'm after right now.
    I tried 'good mornings' the last time in the gym, but I find it difficult to get arms back to hold the bar properly. Same goes for squatting. There was a .avi clip that was posted in General of some big dude doing squats with 5 wheels a side, I just don't know how he can do that. Must be damned uncomfortable having that weight behind your neck. Perseverance maybe?

    These are the pics from half way thru the 2nd cycle. I already posted them a few months ago.
    http://ciaou.com/mt/2ndCycle/
    Since then (and 100 clens later) have cut back a bit of fat. Next time in the gym I'll take some new ones for comparison.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/26 08:45:52 (permalink)
    Ok, that movement you want to improve will be helped in no way whatsoever by SLDLs.
    If you want to improve explosive strength, I suggest you start adding olympic lifting and stop thinking like a bodybuilder.
    Bodybuilders are the least athletic athletes out there, so maybe it's time you start thinking about functional strength rather than putting on outright useless mass and strength that you can't transfer on to the judo mat.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/26 09:09:15 (permalink)
    I don't agree, it seems from that animation at least that a lot of low back and ham strength (from the hip) is needed, in which case SLDLs would be fine.

    I agree about the olympic lifts though, plus squats, regular deadlifts and other big compound movements.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/26 09:22:17 (permalink)
    I think the obliques will play a bigger part in this movement than any other muscle, so exercises such as cable wood chops and Russian Twists may help.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/26 09:52:47 (permalink)
    [url='http://www.dolfzine.com/page171.htm']Saxon bends[/url] are one of the best core strength\obliques exercises... they'd work wonders for your throws.

    Great pics Heats1nk I wish I had your mass, keep up the good work.

    Questions:
    -How much strength\size did you loose after you finished your first cycle?
    -Are you not drug tested at the nationals?
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/26 10:05:05 (permalink)
    All good core movements, however I tend to lean towards no direct core work being needed if there is enough overhead pressing (push press, standing military press) or heavy lifts supported above the midline (squats, good mornings, overhead squats).
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/26 12:24:39 (permalink)
    Knighty: the throw works out the ham/lower back/obliques/upper back, mainly on the side you are throwing on. I do that throw 50% right and 50% left, so the SLDL hit both sides at once except the obliques.
    In judo a big mistake too many people make is to learn throws on the right side then neglect the left. So most opponents develop very good right side counters and are wide open to attacks on the left. After a big Harai, you feel it in all the same muscles.
    Obviously to get the explosive action, you are taking the opponents bodyweight and multiplying that by a factor that is equal to the speed of his displacement, if that makes sense.
    I agree with not adding muscles just for the sake of it, although foe groundwork (ne-waza) I don't think you could ever have any redundant muscles. They won't all work at the same time, but they will all work!
    I must admit that when I see a bb'ers physique it makes me think of hand building a Ferrari then not taking it out on the open road; just constantly polishing it. But I digress...

    Ant: I will look up 'regular deadlifts' and do those once I have the correct form. I guess it must be similar to straight legged ones.
    Olympic Lifts? I presume a class of exercises, such as clean & jerks?? or am I way off base there?

    Knighty: obliques are very important in any throw, hence why my stomack sticks right out, which is why I get well wound up when people tell me I have a beer gut and I never touch the stuff. In the gym I don't do any obliques or abdominals, as they get thrashed on the mat and are probably the strongest muscle group I have. I do use one arm at a time on the pec deck to work out the obliques. Many throws use one pec plus the oblique together: Makikomi, Tai Otoshi.
    http://www.judoinfosite.nl/NL/pages/Armworpen/Tai-otoshi.htm
    http://www.kodokan.org/j_waza/taiotoshi_j.html
    http://www.judoinfosite.nl/NL/pages/Offerworpen/Hane-makikomi.htm
    http://www.worldjudo.org/uchi-makikomi.htm
    I will try the wood chops and Russian Twists.

    Burton: this afternoon will try your Saxon Bends. Great URL, the next page's exercise: "Standing Cable Curls" looks just the ticket for Hane Goshi/Makikomi, too!
    Thanks for the kind words! first cycle I balloned up and ballooned down again with sus/deca/dbols and no recovery. That was before I discovered MT! second cycle I finished up at a whopping 130kgs mainly water... couldn't move much, too stiff everywhere but was as strong as an ox. I finished at 118kgs, but had lost a great deal of fat too. Right now am about 122kgs though it varies from day to day. I think I will not shrink much this time round as am not blown up with H2O as before. They don't test at the nationals, yet...lol at least I haven't seen anyone and haven't been asked yet. Fingers crossed. Its a risk but if it weren't for 2 cycles of deca I wouldn't be in the game any more coz my shoulder was cattle trucked.

    Ant: I need to work out shoulders a lot more. So many movements rely on getting the other guy up into the air for gravity to do its thing so I will be doing more military presses, overhead squats.

    Finally, thanks to MT. A great board, and resource for any athlete with an aim.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/26 15:25:09 (permalink)
    heat,

    Check out my thread in the Journals Section: Olympic Lifting Diary, it starts off with me knowing very little and I get lots of great help from the guys on here.

    As for the regular deadlifts, theres a lot of stuff on that around. Pretty much just imagine a stiff legged dead, but bending at the knees at the start and end of the movement.
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    RE: heat's quest to add beef for more explosive Judo 2003/06/26 17:29:51 (permalink)
    I trained and competed in judo for 12yrs and the last 8 was at national elite level (youth, junior and stopping due university studies at senior). I still do judo twice a yr :) LOL.

    Dumbell powersnatches and regular powercleans are GREAT ways of getting strong shoulders for kuzure and strength for hikite-arm.
    Pullover press is one of the best ones for tsurite-arm IMO.
    I wrote my HS essay on 'strength training for judo'.

    I still lift weight, but have saddled for muay thai instead.
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