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help!need to stop oestrogen build up

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2009/07/14 20:07:00 (permalink)

help!need to stop oestrogen build up

my last course was:
week
1-4:100mg prop eod,150mg tren,500mg test enth
5-6:200mg prop a week,150mg tren,500mg test enth
7-9:150mg tren,500mg test enth
+ 2 tabs of proviron ed
the first 6 weeks very good gains of up to 8 pounds.week 7 wieght started to decrease, week 8 gino started,skin got bad,sex drive died and by the end of my pct i'd lost all my gains.even in previous courses found after 6-7 weeks its like the gear stop's working and it's the same sort of time scale when my skin and sex drive start to suffer.i train hard and eat very good but i just can't sort my gear out help!    
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    Re:help!need to stop oestrogen build up 2009/07/14 20:14:37 (permalink)
    this shouldnt really happen mate. its your diet nailed as that is very important.to stop eastrogen build up i would use some nolva(tamoxifen) when required. whats your pct look like. with the cycle above and a good diet you should look to be putting on over a stone in weight easy. have you used HCG for Pct as you are using some strong compounds in your cycle.

    no pain no gain.lol
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    Re:help!need to stop oestrogen build up 2009/07/14 20:26:17 (permalink)
    my pct was 250iu hcg ed for 2 weeks,100mg clomid for 10 days then 50mg clomid ed for 10 days.
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    Re:help!need to stop oestrogen build up 2009/07/14 20:26:48 (permalink)
    Nolva doesn't stop estrogen build up it is a serm not an ai. If gains stop after a set number of weeks it's because of your diet and/or your body reaching homeostasis with your aas. Your cycle was poorly planned from the start. No need to shoot prop and enth for a whole course, makes no sense, and your gains appear to have stopped when you dropped the prop which would make some sense.

    Use an ai such as letro/arimidex/aromasin to control estrogen, run a slight taper at the end of your course using a long estered test, and run a strong pct.
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    Re:help!need to stop oestrogen build up 2009/07/14 20:29:35 (permalink)
    the 2 tabs a day of proviron should be more than enoughto stop estrogen build-up, you dont need nolva. In any case, if you did then adex would be better, and letro best of all if gyno is a concern.

    My guess is the tren is partially resposible, in that it can cause gyno through a non-estrogenic pathway - in which case you'd need bromocriptine or cabergoline (dostinex)

    BUT personally Id listen to what your body's telling you. If you get great gains for 6-7 weeks, and then after that sides multiply then why not run shorter cycles? With short ester gear, or a decent front load 6-7 weeks is plenty. Get on, gain and get back off again before the sides kick in


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    Re:help!need to stop oestrogen build up 2009/07/14 20:33:34 (permalink)
     
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    my pct was 250iu hcg ed for 2 weeks,100mg clomid for 10 days then 50mg clomid ed for 10 days.


    For me 250iu of hcg doesn't do a great deal, may be the same for you, sounds like you went in to pct with high estrogen which is never going to be good. You can also run hcg throughout the cycle which is favoured by some.



    Next time try something along the lines of end of cycle week whatever, say 10. Start aromasin 20mg pd.

    week 12 1000iu hcg pd
    week 14-17 50mg clomid pd, 20mg nolva pd.
    week 18 stop aromasin at end of week.
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