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how to get big, thick and powerful- my take

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2003/12/25 22:54:37 (permalink)

how to get big, thick and powerful- my take

1) effort. blood and guts determination. balls to the wall,don't worry about missing a lift- just constantly strive for bigger and heavier iron.

2) train for strength. thats right, gun for big numbers, and thickness and strength will follow. even lightweight olympic weightlifters have thickness and a look of power most bodybuilders lack. train to crush big numbers.

3) short, hard, heavy. 12 sets or under.

4) you have to train your lower back and legs with a certain degree of bloody mindedness. make these areas ur focus, not your 'pecs' or biceps.

5) do some oly movements. powerclean! try it!

6) OK freeweights ONLY!!! no girlie machine crap.

basic and well known- just wanted to remind you all, i dont like seeing boys playing at a man's endavour
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    Scourge_of_God
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 02:24:43 (permalink)
    Well done badboy - Strength training 101. The core principles we need to be reminded of occasionally.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 08:22:25 (permalink)
    There is nothing wrong with machines. Some machines do compound movements just like free weights only there is a much less risk of getting injured. Doing just isolation movements will cause you to waste to much time in the gym which is why doing compound is great.

    If you ment no isolation movements on machines...well you do can isolation movements with free weights as well. I love doing isolation on my biceps because concentration curls make them grow the most because I cant possible cheat using any other muscle. Weight lifting is for personal improvement, not so you can have an ego trip when someone is on a machine.

    Powercleans are dumb. Just another useless and unnecessary weight lifting routine. Same goes for more overly complicated, and utterly useless, routines like 5x5, supersets and negatives. Keep it simple with NORMAL routines, not lame shams that people on these boards "claim" to be the best(however I am a firm believer that anything can work for everybody, its just im tired of hearing "you HAVE to do 5x5 to gain"). Muscle is easy to grow...its only hard when you scrutenize every last detail on such an easy sport.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 10:59:38 (permalink)
    I totally agree with catalyst, if your goal is bodybuilding then use everything you have for hand, including machines and high and low reps.I know lots of big guys who can't even lift heavy and I also know a lot smaller guys who can lift much more then the bigger ones.
    There is no 1 way to go in bodybuilding
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 11:01:11 (permalink)
    Btw I have NEVER seen any pro do OLY lifts such as powercleans or snatches.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 11:55:52 (permalink)
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    Btw I have NEVER seen any pro do OLY lifts such as powercleans or snatches.


    Maybe not in their current routines, which magazines such as flex so kindly publish, but many of them started out doing o-lifting and p-lifting, including arnold!
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 12:26:58 (permalink)
    pros do gear, pros dont have jobs, pros are highly advanced, pros do GH.

    WHAT A PRO DOES HAS NO RELEVANCE TO YOU!!!

    anyway,

    look at arnold- built off powerlifting and oly movements
    look at franco - built off powerlifting
    look at ron coleman- again, a powerlifter
    look at any decent oly lifter- and see thickness and muscularity in abundance.

    how long have you been training and what gains have you had?

    furthermore, how can you say 5x5 isn't simple. its damn simple and damn effective.

    keeping it simple is exactly what i did . using machines and isolation is the antithesis of simplicity.



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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 13:01:40 (permalink)
    I am With bad boy apart from i do occasionall do the odd set of tricep pushdowns on a machine and belive that machines are ok in some instances but not for most. 5x5 is so simple its a joke westside and 3x3 now that confused me to hell!

    Also badboys post wasnt about being abber it was about how he approaches getting big and thick, not cut and symetrical <(sp?)
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 14:19:00 (permalink)

    I totally agree with badboy and all he has said.

    The number of people at my gym who's training I have turned around by getting them into heavy compound lifting, is huge.

    If you think powercleans are dumb you are a moron, a clean of any kind will good muscle to the back of your body from your ankles to your neck.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 15:51:13 (permalink)
    Compound are 4 sure the best mass builders around. My routine is based on them and has been since day 1. But my physique is still fairly symetrical and cut plus i think im quite thick and strong too so IMO u can get it all from compounds.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 16:05:50 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Catalystx2
    its just im tired of hearing "you HAVE to do 5x5 to gain


    Yes, it is disappointing that people are so arrogant as to believe that the way they train is the only way.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 16:15:04 (permalink)
    Correct me if im wrong but BadBoy doesnt mention 5x5 in his original post Catalystx2 was the first person to mention it in this thread.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 17:00:47 (permalink)
    I think Five Magics was being ironic...
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 18:40:29 (permalink)
    No one ever said that 5x5 was the perfect routine, it isn't. Personally I gained about 10 lbs on it, not too shabby of a gain in about 4 months. 5x5 is great for a person who has been a bber for a while, and needs a change from the usuall 3x10, 3x10, to something heavy and different. Or for someone like me who was crossing over from the crappy FLEX routines to a hard and heavy routine. I personally agree with BadBoy, as I have gained the most size in my life since I have changed to more strength training and powerlifting. Be it I am not huge, or very strong, but compared to a year ago, I am a monster.

    Also, I agee that powercleans are a crappy mass builder. But, they focus on teaching you to be explosive in your lifts, which will allow you to push more weight, thus you will need to grow to handle this weight.

    I wont be as harsh on you as others have been, but I do agree you need to be open to new routines and take the advice of others around you. If you try it, and it doesn't work for you, you have now learned something. Give 5x5 a try. Done correctly, you won't be dissapointed.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 18:56:10 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Scourge_of_God

    I think Five Magics was being ironic...



    I was not being ironic. I was suggesting that people should refrain from forcing their personal training philosophy on others. Surely people understand that a routine, whatever it may be, will not be effective for everybody who follows it...
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 20:12:06 (permalink)
    powercleans are a great mass builder! Look at oly lifters traps and quads!!!!!!!!
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 20:16:25 (permalink)

    Good post J5. You'll be more up on this than me as I always get confused with muscle fibre types, do oly lifts and other explosive movements recruit the type IIB fibres? From what I can remember of muscle physiology aren't these fibres the most hypertophyable? (I know thats not a word)
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/26 21:12:13 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Five_Magics

    I was not being ironic. I was suggesting that people should refrain from forcing their personal training philosophy on others. Surely people understand that a routine, whatever it may be, will not be effective for everybody who follows it...


    Oh... Alright. My bad.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/27 00:35:17 (permalink)
    glad everyone agrees on the whole!

    i am nowhere near an oly lifting expert- although i do hope to take it up when my squatting power is sufficient.

    thing is, there;s so much rubbish about lifting.

    how much more progress would we all have made if we trained properly from the start?

    if jeroen or five magic takes anything away from this discussion i will think of it as a success.
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    RE: how to get big, thick and powerful- my take 2003/12/27 00:44:27 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by JohnnyFive

    ... Perhaps the reason why some of you have a problem with these movements is that they are extremely technical, far more technical than 99.9% of people who perform them will ever appreciate. The difference between perfect technique and technique that is 5% off will probably be a 20% drop in weight, it's that crucial.


    And there in lies the problem for a significant number of people that attempt to use them as mass builders.. You HAVE to have good technique to be able to use the kind of weight that is needed for these lifts to really build mass.

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    Most people are looking for the easy way out, the quick fix, the five minute miracle. Olympic lifting is not that, it takes even advanced lifters years to even approach good technique let alone master it.


    I think that it is a little harsh to critisize people for not wanting to wait years to see results... why should someone HAVE to spend years to achieve the physique they're after.. for your average guy on the street... there is a big difference between spending 2-3 years getting a reasonable physique ..and having to spend 2-3 years getting the technique right before your lifting actually produces results.

    I'm not saying that doing Oly lifts are a waste of time.. because clearly they are not .. that's clear just from looking at the physiques of powerlifters etc. But as the very technical lifts that they are .. I can fully understand people dismissing them if they don't produce results due to them not having learned the correct technique. If they get better results from other exersizes.. I am certainly not going to critisise them for not using Oly lifts. I'm certainly not going to have a superiour attitude towards them because of it. Especially as I've only recently started doing Deadlifts and Powercleans myself.



    On a general note.

    I find it quite ironic.. that some of the harshest critiques of others on this board are themselves people that have only been training for less than a couple of years. Before everyone is so quick to jump on others, I'd like to remind you that just about ANY training regime is going to produce good results for a beginer. As long as you eat well enough and don't spend your whole life down the gym.

    GTM
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