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2005/07/28 19:57:03 (permalink)
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hows this for a 1st cycle

hi all...

can anybody advise on a 1st cycle for gaining lean mass and reducing bf%

i was thinking some thing like this:

sust 250 - 500mg ew or d-bol @ 20 - 30mg ed
t3 - as to the sticky 8 weeks
milk thistle - 1000mg ed

pct

nolva on hand during cycle - need advice on doeasges???
clomid - need advice on doesages???

please be as honest as possible if this stinks lol but all your advice will be much appreciated
post edited by welsh flex - 2005/07/28 19:58:11
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    Backhouse
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:15:18 (permalink)
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    Youve made almost 650 posts in the last year and you need advice on a first cycle of Sust and dbol? Are you joking?
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:22:15 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: welsh flex


    can anybody advise on a 1st cycle for gaining lean mass and reducing bf%



    Mass gain and lowering bodyfat are often thought opposites as the body requires a calorie surplus/deficit respectively for each.

    As such, you will find accomplishing both goals simultaneously difficult, if not impossible.

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    tigerricky69
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:22:45 (permalink)
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    LOL at bachouse, I though the same but there's lots of forum's on here bro!!

    It's a good first cycle m8 would give good gains, not so sure how lean they would be as test and dbol will make you retain water, not so much from the test though. Alot will be down to your diet tho, as long as it's good then you shouldn't add too much BF.

    However don't be disappointed if BF does go up, IMO it should a bit as this shows you're eating as much as you need and you can always get shot of it later on, my advice is just to bulk when you bulk and worry more about cutting later on!

    Cheers
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    Mashburn
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:22:54 (permalink)
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    He might of never posted in the Steroid forum before! There are plenty of other forums that he could of been posting in during that year!
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:30:41 (permalink)
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    As PartyBoy says - you should decide to cut or bulk, otherwise you may lose out on both.

    I decided to cut ... so chose steriods that wouldn't hold water and would help me.

    1-8: test prop 100mg eod
    1-6: tren 75mg eod
    1-8: winny (oral) 50mg ed

    Including a month "preperation" before hand, a very good diet (750kcal below), lots of cardio, hard weights 3x a week with a good programme, no alcohol, no rec drugs I am now on week 6 (hal way through) and have noticed a drop in body fat from around 19-16% plus 4kg in lean mass and a very nice strength increase.

    Decided to eat less and less and do more cardio (keeping protien at 300g+ ed) until I notice a drop in weights, then eat more to compensate. Don't wanna cut too much as I don;t want to lose lean mass. VERY happy with the results.

    If you want to bulk, you'll have to eat s**t loads, good stuff, again sort everything else out, and maybe chose a different course with something like sus/deca/dbol (was going to be my first course until I decded to cut)

    So .... cut or bulk?

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    welsh flex
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:30:52 (permalink)
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    Youve made almost 650 posts in the last year and you need advice on a first cycle of Sust and dbol? Are you joking?


    dont be so fcukin cheecky m8...ever occured to you that i might have not had any experiance with anabolics? dumb ass
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:31:22 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Mashburn

    He might of never posted in the Steroid forum before! There are plenty of other forums that he could of been posting in during that year!

    Fuk me, hes only had 12 months to look at the steroid section.
    I know it sounds like a really crazy idea but have you ever considered cleaning up your diet and introducing some cardio to burn fat?
    Surely you can learn this from the other forums?
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:31:26 (permalink)
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    for the others who answered my question...

    Thanx a lot guys much appreciated
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:34:43 (permalink)
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    backhouse, and correct me if i'm wrong flex, it appears to me that flex wishes to gain some nice size but to maintain what he already has and not gain to much BF hence the lean cycle question....it doesn't neccesarily mean he's a big fat chunker looking to lose weight with roids.

    You had a bad day mate?!!
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:41:57 (permalink)
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    sust and dbol is fine on a first cycle but i wouldnt bother with the T3 until you are a bit more experienced

    there are easier and safer avenues to go down to keep lean with out the use of T3

    ie ECA and CLEN
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:48:32 (permalink)
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    ...or just reigning in calories.

    No need at all for 'cutting aids' in mass gaining phases imho.

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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:49:26 (permalink)
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    Backhouse - please take on board comments made regarding your first post. We are here to help, not ridicule.

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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:51:50 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

    ...or just reigning in calories.

    No need at all for 'cutting aids' in mass gaining phases imho.


    im with you 100% there PB , do one or the other fat can be lost at a later date
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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:55:10 (permalink)
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    Yep, sounds ok, but as khany said, no neeeeeeeeed for t3. Bulk then cut, easier that way, Give bulking 100% then cutting 100%, far better results than 50/50!! Believe me i tried!!!!

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    RE: hows this for a 1st cycle 2005/07/28 20:55:11 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tigerricky69

    backhouse, and correct me if i'm wrong flex, it appears to me that flex wishes to gain some nice size but to maintain what he already has and not gain to much BF hence the lean cycle question....it doesn't neccesarily mean he's a big fat chunker looking to lose weight with roids.

    You had a bad day mate?!!


    He may not be a bloater, i dont know, but the fact is that T3 is not a realistic choice for someone doing their first cycle who wishes to lose some fat. T3 is indeed a very effective fat burning tool but what is there left to use when youre looking to use this compound from the offset. You may as well do HGH, slin and IGF1 if this is the case.
    Always clean the diet first and include cardio in the workout. Once fat burning has plateued you can look at milder compounds such as eca or clen, as Khany rightly pointed out.
    Theres so much info on this site and i cant understand why people dont read the topics instead of just posting the same thing everyday.

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