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2005/07/27 21:27:06 (permalink)

i need a first cycle

hi i was gonna do a first cycle of anavar but i didnt end up receiving them and now im not sure what first cycle i should do ..i take propecia so im trying to avoid hairloss so testosterone is probably something i should stay away from ...what i want to get from a cycle is more strength thats the most important thing next would be a bit of bulk but thats not that important to me the easiest roid for me to get in sydney would be deca or stanazol and i know deca shouldnt be used without test and stanazol is crap on its own since anavar is impossible to get for me aswell as primo can someone give me some advice on what roid would suit my goals and what cycle length and also PCT .......oh i almost forgot my diet is about 260g of protein a day i am 178cm tall and weight 74kg and i do cashmans 3 day a week routine ..thanks
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/27 22:15:55 (permalink)
    hello again pal, u can do a 10 week deca cycle but im warning u, u could run into problems with erections & recovery could be hard, or u could do a winny cycle but it seems rather pointless

    last resort id do this cycle

    week 1 800mg deca
    weeks 2-10 400mg deca

    20-24 days after your last injection start a 3-4 week pct

    Maybe you can handle yourself one of them First Class tickets to the resurrection,So long, Mel, Have a good trip
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/27 22:19:03 (permalink)
    i was thinking about doing a deca and winny stacked cycle but then i would still have to stop using propecia while on cycle i was wondering if i did a winny only cycle would i be able to keep using propecia ???
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/27 22:20:37 (permalink)
    ive got no idea? is propecia toxic to your liver? if not then theres no probs to do both

    Maybe you can handle yourself one of them First Class tickets to the resurrection,So long, Mel, Have a good trip
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/27 22:41:00 (permalink)
    na my livers ok its just that your not ment to run deca while on propecia it increases hair loss
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 00:24:40 (permalink)
    sorry but why the hell would that happen?? propecia works by stoping the build up of dht, seeing as deca hardly converts i dont see how it would increase hairloss?

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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 02:25:23 (permalink)
    yeah i thought so to but alot of people here say when deca is mixed with propecia hair loss occurs i think they just dont mix well together
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 02:39:21 (permalink)
    Would be better with sust, but as it's a test may not be suited. deca/dbol/sust was the one I was going to do (until I decide to cut on test prop/tren/win) - well recommended cycle, mate has had amazing gains on it

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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 09:13:05 (permalink)
    Id never run deca alone IMO

    test enth 500mg 1-12
    deca 400 mg 1-10
    dbol 30mg eod

    Should put 2 stone on with that
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 10:34:50 (permalink)
    Should put 2 stone on with that


    ... and after water has gone?

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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 10:38:17 (permalink)
    On my first cycle of that i kept 3 stone

    Went from just under 9 to about 12 ish, hadnt seen my family for 6 months got asked some very awkward questions to say the least
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 10:39:58 (permalink)
    Wow - that's superb gains. Mostly muscle??

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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 10:42:09 (permalink)
    Yeh but i was a stick man. Think i put on 3.5 stone then lost about 9lb after PCT but hey couldnt grumble at the gains. Was life changing to say the least
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 10:45:32 (permalink)
    Nice - current cycle (tren/prop/winny - 8 weeks - 750kcal deficit) I've cut 3% so far (week 6) and put on 4kg lean mass ... and I thought that was good! But 2 stone is ridicolous!

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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 10:47:13 (permalink)
    Was my first ever cycle that i did though, think everyone gets stupid gain off there first if diet etc is spot on.

    My mate did the same and got about same results on his first cycle
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 10:48:28 (permalink)
    May try that for my 2nd cycle (1st bulk) and see what happens - excited already and I'm still on my first - LOL

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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 11:06:44 (permalink)
    My fav cycle ive done is test enth, tyren and winny. Only about 7lb gaions but was solid and ripped , plus skin was paper thin
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 11:08:43 (permalink)
    Gotta decide whether to cut or bulk first ... gonna end this cycle, try and get good gains in PCT, wait a few months, save some cash then work things out from there!

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    RE: i need a first cycle 2005/07/28 13:10:36 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: carnage

    sorry but why the hell would that happen?? propecia works by stoping the build up of dht


    Not strictly true. Propecia inhibits the 5-AR enzyme. 5-AR is responsible for conversion of for example testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT). It is also responsible for the conversion of Nandrolone (deca) to dihydronandrolone. Dihydronandrolone differs from dihydrotestosterone in that it has a lower binding affinity in androgen target tissues than its parent hormone. Therefore, whilst you would want to inhibit 5-AR activity for testosterone by using propecia (for someone who is concerned with MPB and other androgenic effects), the opposite is true for nandrolone as the 5-AR activity for this steroid actually makes it less androgenic.

    Another point to consider is the common assumption that if a user wanted to run Test + Deca and was concerned about hair loss etc - would it be wise to use propecia, given what we know in relation to its effects of enzymatic changes to nandrolone.

    imo the answer would be Yes. The simple reason being that the positive effect of a reduction of DHT from test outweighs the negative effect of the decrease in conversion to DHN from deca.

    Hope I've explained all this clearly as it is quite a complex concept.

     
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    RE: i need a first cycle 2006/10/11 16:24:34 (permalink)
    Partyboy,

    Still a bit confused. So your saying its ok to run Propecia with Test but Propecia with Deca will decrease its effectiveness but not necessarily make you lose more hair? If its ok to run with Test, then what other roid can you stack with the test that will be ok with the Propecia. Thank you for your help.
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