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2014/12/10 08:17:44 (permalink)

insulin users

Hi guys

I've been using insulin just a few times, just was wondering if anybody else had bad sweats off it at night, I'm waking up in the am and my bed is totally soaked, it's like having a cold sweats when your not well, it's kind of putting me off using it...

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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 08:39:25 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby JoshHardcastle 2014/12/10 16:29:56
It sounds like your blood sugar is dropping low.
You need to make sure you are taking in enough carbs are taking the insulin or the consequences can be series!
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 08:59:08 (permalink)
The problem is I work 12 hour shifts and I don't train till 8 PM then I'm taking my insulin around 9.30pm after training, then carb drink 10mins after jab, 30 mins after protein shake, 1 hour after high carb and protein meal then I'm going to sleep and that has been happening to me
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 09:08:33 (permalink)
As Westy says that is a classic symptom of hypoglycemia.
What carbs are you consuming in your last meal? are they complex/slow digesting?
You could try having another shake with some oats immediately before bed, this may be a struggle to get down but can help maintain blood sugar levels through the night.
Or simply take less insulin and then take another dose the next morning before/with breakfast.
This is a protocol that I like: using two lots of 5 iu or so rather than one larger (10 iu) injection post workout. 

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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 09:40:32 (permalink)
I've got a blood testing kit at home so tonight il test myself before I go to sleep and upon waking.

My last meal after jabbing before bed is 200 gs of plain chicken, 125gs of boil in the bag white rice and greens, and if I'm still hungry a full pack of chocolate rice cakes = 450 kcals it's work out as.

Il try the oats shake tonight il try anything not to hypo, my gf is diabetic and it's not very nice seeing her hypo when she does,

I take 10iu after training and morning after take anything between 5iu and 8iu
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 09:45:02 (permalink)
I would say the oats will help you as the white rice you are consuming in last meal will be digested pretty quickly.
Also I would cut the chocolate out as this will cause a natural peak in endogenous insulin which will then a cause a further drop in blood sugar.

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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 10:56:31 (permalink)
How much oats do you think is a safe bet to use?

Oh right really il definitely cut the chocolate out off the rice cakes only got them because of the high kcal per cake

Thank you for your advice :)
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 12:30:09 (permalink)
I would consume what oats you can manage without causing discomfort, 50 grams or more.
You may find that eating the oats may mean you can back to eating the chocolate again .
Difficult to give exact amounts as we all react differently to insulin and the days activities and diet will all play their part in how it works for you.
 
 

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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 16:26:25 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby JoshHardcastle 2014/12/10 16:30:45
Gavin it is not a good idea to do this right before bed. He is correct. Does sound like your blood sugar is dropping. If you do not wake up when this happens you can go unresponsive and die. As a medic I would recommend you change your timing on using slin or not at all. The risks are not worth it here mate.
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 16:33:32 (permalink)
I would echo the comments wrt hypoglycemia.  Other than the acute risk that medic mentioned, there is the detrimental effect on your long term progress from disrupted sleep with consequential effects on impaired workouts, elevated stress hormones with consequential effects on visceral fat, impaired nocturnal GH secretion, etc. 
 
Its not just a risky but undermining your progress and gains, thus counterproductive in the long term.
 
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 18:02:28 (permalink)
Are you sure the risks of taking insulin are worth it? Mess up with this stuff and you die.  
 
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/10 23:42:21 (permalink)
Yes, never mind what the medic has to say. I am not saying don't do it. Just not right before bed. Even diabetic patients don't do this right before bed. Change your timing. And I am not say you will die but is it worth the risk? When you have no blood sugar and are unresponsive you do not control your airway. The information is out there. Bro-science or medical evidence your call.
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/11 17:29:58 (permalink)
Thank you everyone for your input! Say if I was to change the timing of my insulin jab what would be best to fit in with my day,

Wake up 5 am

5iu insulin jab, carb drink, protein shake, porridge,

Start work at 7am till 7pm, I fit about 3000 kcal to 3500kcal in at work takes me 40mins to drive home, go the gym for 8.30ish PM, have my last meal after and training and take 10iu insulin , where would be best to change the 10iu jab?

Thanks again for your time guys
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Re: insulin users 2014/12/11 20:10:45 (permalink)
Yep sorry haven't read the thread but ,, even if i use slin early in the day i usually sweat im the night ,, wake up thinking i pissed myself ,, just one of them things that happen to me each time i use slin 
 
Anyway the guys will give you good advice on this ..  Big  bole of oats pre bed 
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