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2005/07/23 02:01:28 (permalink)

m1t related questions

1st up MPB ,Anyone point me to any articles concerning this,is it a possible side?

Also I read part of a article on a post saying gyno was highly improbable ?

Is Nova alone good enough for PCT and should milk thistle be continued throughout PCT since nova is liver toxic?

Also assuming I'd need the 6oxo for PCT?

Can anyone give me a cheap link to buy if thats allowed here,assuming it is because its legal still [I think] but have'nt seen any direct links so thought it might be dodgy?

Read some of the guys journals and experiences,seems inconclusive.I've always read the post below&used the search function for the last hour,opinions are way more varied than those on say a dbol cycle.The jury seems out .

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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 02:24:57 (permalink)

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    1st up MPB ,Anyone point me to any articles concerning this,is it a possible side?


    Any androgenic substance will speed up an already existing condition of MPB. Basically, if you have MPB/are prone to it (you may not even know yet depending on age and degree of MPB), any androgenic substance such as M1T will speed up that process.


    Also I read part of a article on a post saying gyno was highly improbable ?


    In theory, however in practice gyno may occur through the progesterone route...perhaps, although one thing is for certain, there have been people who have run M1T and experienced gyno.


    Is Nova alone good enough for PCT and should milk thistle be continued throughout PCT since nova is liver toxic?


    Nolva is good for PCT - run a 60/40/20 taper (Day1/2-11/12-21 or similar). Milk Thistle can be taken through PCT.

    Also assuming I'd need the 6oxo for PCT?


    Not if you are using nolva - waste of money to use a weak substance like 6-oxo when already using nolva, and unnecessary.

    Can anyone give me a cheap link to buy if thats allowed here,assuming it is because its legal still [I think] but have'nt seen any direct links so thought it might be dodgy?


    http://www.discount-supplements.co.uk/eshop/prohormones/underground-labs-m1t-(180-cap).asp

    Also, drink lots of water on cycle, M1T can be harsh on kidneys.

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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 02:34:48 (permalink)
    I only used nolva for my pct and i was fine mate.
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 09:25:44 (permalink)
    Could anyone help me outline a basic quick course,used the search function but its varies considerably.

    2weeks long enough? and at what dose,taper?

    I'm assuming 180 is way more than enough for a small cycle?

    Is there any chance of a dbol like water bloat?,also is the loss of appetite a common side,my appetites not great at the best of times?

    Thanks guys,appreciated.
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 11:44:02 (permalink)
    10mg ed for 2 weeks, to se how you respond to the compound in terms of sides and gains etc. Take milk thistle throughout. An example cycle:

    Week 1: 1000mg Milk Thistle ed
    Week 2-3: 10mg M1T, 1000mg Milk Thistle ed
    PCT Day 1: (day after last tab) 60mg nolva, 1000mg Milk Thistle
    PCT Days 2-7: 40mg Nolva, 1000mg Milk Thistle ed
    PCT Days 8-16: 20mg Nolva, 1000mg Milk Thistle ed

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    ORIGINAL: TrentReznik

    Could anyone help me outline a basic quick course,used the search function but its varies considerably.

    2weeks long enough? and at what dose,taper?

    I'm assuming 180 is way more than enough for a small cycle?

    Is there any chance of a dbol like water bloat?,also is the loss of appetite a common side,my appetites not great at the best of times?

    Thanks guys,appreciated.

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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 11:51:10 (permalink)
    mcl

    do you like the 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on cycle?
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 11:53:51 (permalink)
    TT, IMO I don't like anything with M1T lol

    Just gave advice as Trent seems to want to do it.

    As for the 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off 2 weeks on, no I can't say I'm a fan of that tbh - too much flucuation and not enough time with PCT etc in between - IMO it will play havoc with your body.


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    mcl

    do you like the 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on cycle?

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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 11:54:56 (permalink)
    yes this was my thought but many seem to like it
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 13:05:01 (permalink)
    i know some one who did that cycle TT, and he's still having problems trying to find his little friends after doing i think another nolva pct and having loads of trib..

    Trent, for pct you might want to consider taking some trib at about 3g a day, i don't think its essential but alot of people add it in.
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 13:12:52 (permalink)
    yes
    its not one i would plump for, never saw the logic in it but has been suggested

    IMO, one should stick with the protocol suggested by MCL above

    even
    week 1 @ 5mg per day (nolva on hand IMO)
    end of the week, monitor gains, sides
    week2@5 or 10mg and go from there

    most dont experience any noteable gains after 3 weeks it seems
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 13:32:14 (permalink)
    I have ran a few M1T cycles before. I used to do 10mg/day for 4 weeks but didn't get great gains from it. Next time I am going to try 20mg/day for 4 weeks to see how I get on. I wouldn't advise going above 30mg/day as it can give some bad sides. Try 10mg/day first and see how you get on. I ran milk thistle at 800mg/day and found no problems at running at that dose, but I would not recommend any dose lower than that. I did not get any gyno symptoms and to be honest you would be very unlikely to to get gyno, but i'm not saying it isn't possible. I ran PCT for 2 weeks with 6-OXO and it worked fine. But in future I will use clomid. I would say do between 2-4 weeks on cycle and have atleast your time on + pct = time off. I personally wait longer.

    At first I wasn't convinced you would need PCT for M1T, but by my third week my balls had definatley shrunk, so I decided to run PCT to kick my balls back into action.
    post edited by Archie130979 - 2005/07/23 13:53:52
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 15:18:24 (permalink)
    Great stuff guys,cheers thinking over my options.
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 15:47:17 (permalink)
    Just to add one last thing LOL. I have since this post flushed all my M1T down the toilet at the advice of bbigman, as I am using dbol now anyway, and the two just don't even compare.
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 18:31:11 (permalink)
    Tryed Dbol mate and I looked like a pregnant hippo plus I got gyno really quicky,actually guys can Nova be run all thru a M1T cycle since I know I'm prone and also is'nt it unfair to compare M1T to dbol since a dbol course is 6wks?

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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 18:51:35 (permalink)
    I G N O R E,sorted lads.


    Also guys milk thistle comes in 125g tubs from bulkpowders.co.uk,how many 1000mg are there then in a that,googling now,also being lazy
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 19:08:12 (permalink)
    lol, well 1000mg = 1g therefore 125g = 125 servings of 1000mg

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    I G N O R E,sorted lads.


    Also guys milk thistle comes in 125g tubs from bulkpowders.co.uk,how many 1000mg are there then in a that,googling now,also being lazy

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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 20:09:12 (permalink)
    MCT or anyone could you check my post above the last one,pct related?
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/23 20:51:16 (permalink)
    Personally, I wouldn't run nolva throughout, but you can I guess, if you are gyno prone - but you would be unlucky to get it with M1T...but remember, nolva is not a side-effect free drug.

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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/24 12:20:07 (permalink)
    Guys if I order my M1T + Milk T [got the nova] tonight on 48hr I can start tues for a 2week cycle but in 3weeks I have to go oup North for my girls birthday for 10days which means my diet will be affected+ I could only train at her gym a couple of times?

    Obviously I have time for 1 full week of PCT and I can continue to take my nova+Milk T with her but am I looking at a big dent into my gains?

    If so perhaps I should postpone? thoughts please?

    Maybe start my cycle a week late and run a 3 week course thus taking the M1T with her?

    Also my main concern is libido? if I'm not mad horny like usual because of PCT she'll think somethings up [or not up]
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    RE: m1t related questions 2005/07/24 14:02:35 (permalink)
    a few pointers IMO

    never have any doubts before embarking on any cycle
    plan ahead
    i would suggest for optimal gains scrap the amounts of cardio you are doing for both cycle and PWO
    IMO the whole benefit of M1T is the strength benefits, pointless if the only pumping you are doing is with the lady friend

    sort it out, get it right, dont look for short cuts
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