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mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!!

hi im 22 been training mike mentzer hit programme now for 12 weeks had the best strength and size gains ive ever made its true his theroy actually works ive tryed so many programmes before but have never come across something like this!! ive gone from benching 60kg to 87 kg one set failure in space of 12 weeks its incredible for all those wasted hrs i spent in the gym aswell. i use to train 3 days a week training like this now i even think this is to much so i train 2 days a week on this programme. wots people thoughts on this has anyone else experinced the same gains??

The theory of high-intensity, anaerobic, bodybuilding exercise is not true because I or anyone else, no matter how many might agree, say it is true. It is the fact that the logic of the theory is unassailable which makes it true.
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2006/07/14 20:53:41 (permalink)
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    what is your actual routine plan? i have read a few mike mentzer books and his routine changes slightly in each one as his experience in his method of trainig grows

    also did you start off going from more sets to less or did you start from say training once per week and then gradually added more?
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2006/07/14 21:07:24 (permalink)
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    i use to train with 3 sets 3 days a week on a split routine making little progress for about 6 months, then came across this never in a million yrs would i thought this wud work but its the best programme i have ever used.
    i train every set to faulire spend about 15 - 20 mins actually training very smilar programmes to mikes, iam sore for about 3 days after. eating bout 5 high protein meals a day spending lots of time recovering n preparing for that next shock on my body
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2006/07/14 21:12:49 (permalink)
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    can you show me you typical traning programme please.

    with warmups, sets, reps, how many days inbetween for rest etc thanks
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2006/07/14 21:32:59 (permalink)
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    Workout #1
    Chest
    Dumbell flys for pre exhaustion 1x6-10 reps
    Incline presses 1x1-3 (I modified this, as I go for 6-10)

    Back
    Straight arms pulldowns for pre exhaustion 1x6-10
    Palms up pulldowns 1x 6-10
    Deadlifts 1x6-10
    ____________________________________________
    Workout #2
    Legs
    Leg extensions for pre exhaustion
    1x12-20
    Leg presses
    1x12-20
    Standing calf raises
    1x12-20
    Abs
    Situp 1x12-20
    ____________________________________________
    Workout #3
    Shoulders
    Dumbell lateral raises 1x6-10
    Bent-over dumbell laterals 1x6-10
    ( I substituted the excersise above with behind the neck presses, funny thing is when I was doing my other routine I incorperated these as well and was only doing 155,with this routine I already jumped up to 185 and I thought I could do more after that set.)
    Biceps
    Palms up pulldowns 1x6-10
    Triceps
    Tricep pressdowns for pre exhaustion 1x6-10
    Dips 1x3-5(I modified this also because of the strength of my upperbody I can easily do 10-15 with the slow 4 sec negatives, I will be starting to wear a loaded weight belt but I wont go under 6 reps)
    __________________________________________
    Workout #4
    Legs
    Leg extensions for pre exhaustion
    1x12-20
    Leg presses
    1x12-20
    Standing calf raises
    1x12-20
    Abs
    Situp 1x12-20

    It is a repeat of #2. This is my workout as of now. I rest typically at least 3 days,I rest more after legs probably 4 and take more if I dont feel 100%, as my job is very taxing,( I work my city DPW which is trash,recycle etc which is very demanding physically)
    I will tell you right off the bat I dont go and blast out 1 to the max set, I have at least one lighter warmup set.This is one thing I do for leg presses.I have actually found my knee problems subsided with this routine.
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2006/07/14 22:03:16 (permalink)
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    think i will give it a go

    i believe with a healthy active lifestyle and some good knowledge and aas/peps use etc that you can live a longer stronger better life.

    main interests: physique conditioning, bbj, muay thai.
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 00:55:51 (permalink)
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    i have been using mentzers methods for almost a year now, with regular strength increases.

    i highly recommend trying this
    ORIGINAL: FLEXY_1

    Workout #1
    Chest
    Dumbell flys for pre exhaustion 1x6-10 reps
    Incline presses 1x1-3 (I modified this, as I go for 6-10)

    Back
    Straight arms pulldowns for pre exhaustion 1x6-10
    Palms up pulldowns 1x 6-10
    Deadlifts 1x6-10
    ____________________________________________
    Workout #2
    Legs
    Leg extensions for pre exhaustion
    1x12-20
    Leg presses
    1x12-20
    Standing calf raises
    1x12-20
    Abs
    Situp 1x12-20
    ____________________________________________
    Workout #3
    Shoulders
    Dumbell lateral raises 1x6-10
    Bent-over dumbell laterals 1x6-10
    ( I substituted the excersise above with behind the neck presses, funny thing is when I was doing my other routine I incorperated these as well and was only doing 155,with this routine I already jumped up to 185 and I thought I could do more after that set.)
    Biceps
    Palms up pulldowns 1x6-10
    Triceps
    Tricep pressdowns for pre exhaustion 1x6-10
    Dips 1x3-5(I modified this also because of the strength of my upperbody I can easily do 10-15 with the slow 4 sec negatives, I will be starting to wear a loaded weight belt but I wont go under 6 reps)
    __________________________________________
    Workout #4
    Legs
    Leg extensions for pre exhaustion
    1x12-20
    Leg presses
    1x12-20
    Standing calf raises
    1x12-20
    Abs
    Situp 1x12-20

    It is a repeat of #2. This is my workout as of now. I rest typically at least 3 days,I rest more after legs probably 4 and take more if I dont feel 100%, as my job is very taxing,( I work my city DPW which is trash,recycle etc which is very demanding physically)
    I will tell you right off the bat I dont go and blast out 1 to the max set, I have at least one lighter warmup set.This is one thing I do for leg presses.I have actually found my knee problems subsided with this routine.


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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 12:24:00 (permalink)
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    mike mentzer never used HIT to build his body for comps he used mostly volume training,it was only after he retired he used HIT,same as casey viator another HIT poster boy,i doubt very much they would have built the bodies they had if they used HIT from the beggining.
    but after they retired it was easy to maintane the shape they built (using volume) by doing HIT.
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 12:47:23 (permalink)
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    i am aware that mentzer did not use it in his competing years.

    this is because he hadnt invented it by then. it was only when he retired and stopped training as much, that he started to grow again. he admitted that he was overtraining when competing.

    1 point he makes in 1 of his books is about finding a routine that works for you.
    the best place to start isnt a 10 set per bodypart workout, but a 1 set per body part workout.

    if you were to search for a workout that works, starting from 10sets, there is 2 directions you could go(increase/decrease), 1 of which would be the wrong direction.
    so, the only logical starting point is 1 set per body part. (remembering to warm up first)

    i would suggest sticking with each successful workout until no strength gains are experienced for 3 weeks (keep a diary). and rest your whole body before returning to the gym (until soreness/fatigue disappears + 2 days)
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 13:30:20 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: muscl3s

    i am aware that mentzer did not use it in his competing years.

    this is because he hadnt invented it by then. it was only when he retired and stopped training as much, that he started to grow again. he admitted that he was overtraining when competing.



    He started to grow again? how come he was smaller than when he was competing then?
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 13:39:30 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: FLEXY_1

    hi im 22 been training mike mentzer hit programme now for 12 weeks had the best strength and size gains ive ever made its true his theroy actually works ive tryed so many programmes before but have never come across something like this!! ive gone from benching 60kg to 87 kg one set failure in space of 12 weeks its incredible for all those wasted hrs i spent in the gym aswell. i use to train 3 days a week training like this now i even think this is to much so i train 2 days a week on this programme. wots people thoughts on this has anyone else experinced the same gains??

    The theory of high-intensity, anaerobic, bodybuilding exercise is not true because I or anyone else, no matter how many might agree, say it is true. It is the fact that the logic of the theory is unassailable which makes it true.



    It works, of that there is no doubt.

    I am currently in the process of interviewing Ellington Darden, PhD about his newest book. Dr. Darden actually coined the phrase HIT and was even more intimately involved with Arthur Jones, the man who really popularized the whole thing and introduced it to Mike.

    All of that said, it is not the only program that works and is not foolproof if one wishes to continue to progress in size and strength after a certain point (more strength than size).

    Chris
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 13:40:42 (permalink)
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 13:46:40 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: chris mason


    ORIGINAL: FLEXY_1

    hi im 22 been training mike mentzer hit programme now for 12 weeks had the best strength and size gains ive ever made its true his theroy actually works ive tryed so many programmes before but have never come across something like this!! ive gone from benching 60kg to 87 kg one set failure in space of 12 weeks its incredible for all those wasted hrs i spent in the gym aswell. i use to train 3 days a week training like this now i even think this is to much so i train 2 days a week on this programme. wots people thoughts on this has anyone else experinced the same gains??

    The theory of high-intensity, anaerobic, bodybuilding exercise is not true because I or anyone else, no matter how many might agree, say it is true. It is the fact that the logic of the theory is unassailable which makes it true.



    It works, of that there is no doubt.

    I am currently in the process of interviewing Ellington Darden, PhD about his newest book. Dr. Darden actually coined the phrase HIT and was even more intimately involved with Arthur Jones, the man who really popularized the whole thing and introduced it to Mike.

    All of that said, it is not the only program that works and is not foolproof if one wishes to continue to progress in size and strength after a certain point (more strength than size).

    Chris



    If you take arthur jones/casey viator as an example,jones made all these claims on how viator gained on HIT,yet years later viator admitted he was doing volume work behind jones back as he didn't feel HIT was enough.
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 13:48:41 (permalink)
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    How long had the orignal poster been training for in total?

    If its less than 1 year then almost any program will get you stronger/bigger.

    Arthur Jones was a genius - he developed some fantastic machines. I might not agree with everything he said about training but you cant take it away from the man that he created a envorment where many people who would never have used free weights could get fairly buff.

    Many peoples problem with Mike mentzer was he was so dogmatic in his promotion of his pet theories that it pissed many many people off. For mentzer to basicly **** on GVT after useing it to build his body to a stage where he competed was in my view flawed.

    What I found was that many of the articles about HIT are very polemic and sometimes the facts get lost in the dogmatic flaming of other systems.

    My thoughts are if HIT is so good why dont competitive bodybuilders use it? if its so good for strenght why dont strongmen/powerlifters use it?
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/27 14:20:34 (permalink)
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    RE: mike mentzer hit actually works for all those doubters!! 2007/01/28 00:00:56 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: TREBOR


    ORIGINAL: chris mason


    ORIGINAL: FLEXY_1

    hi im 22 been training mike mentzer hit programme now for 12 weeks had the best strength and size gains ive ever made its true his theroy actually works ive tryed so many programmes before but have never come across something like this!! ive gone from benching 60kg to 87 kg one set failure in space of 12 weeks its incredible for all those wasted hrs i spent in the gym aswell. i use to train 3 days a week training like this now i even think this is to much so i train 2 days a week on this programme. wots people thoughts on this has anyone else experinced the same gains??

    The theory of high-intensity, anaerobic, bodybuilding exercise is not true because I or anyone else, no matter how many might agree, say it is true. It is the fact that the logic of the theory is unassailable which makes it true.



    It works, of that there is no doubt.

    I am currently in the process of interviewing Ellington Darden, PhD about his newest book. Dr. Darden actually coined the phrase HIT and was even more intimately involved with Arthur Jones, the man who really popularized the whole thing and introduced it to Mike.

    All of that said, it is not the only program that works and is not foolproof if one wishes to continue to progress in size and strength after a certain point (more strength than size).

    Chris



    If you take arthur jones/casey viator as an example,jones made all these claims on how viator gained on HIT,yet years later viator admitted he was doing volume work behind jones back as he didn't feel HIT was enough.


    I think that was later in their relationship and not early on when he was being trained for the Mr. America and so on.

    Chris
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