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my 2nd AAS cycle

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2005/07/24 03:11:25 (permalink)

my 2nd AAS cycle

okay for those who don't know i'm 21, been lifting weights for 6 years, and taking things seriously (with solid diet and supplementation) for the last 3 years, my first cycle was 5 weeks of test (500mg/wk) and dbol (30mg/ed), results were awesome, i went from 184lbs to 207lbs on cycle, then to 204lbs after the first week of pct, then to 198lbs at the end of pct, the cycle was cut short from an intended 12 weeks to 5 weeks due to high blood pressure and developing gyno in week 5, so i decided to play it safe and come off

heres what i am planning for my next cycle, which i plan to start in october

weeks 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate (Iranian) 500mg/wk
weeks 1-11: Deca Durabolin (Norma) 400mg/wk
weeks 1-4: Dianabol (Naposim) 25mg/ed
weeks 12-14: Methasteron (Superdrol) 20mg/ed
weeks 6-7 and 13-14: HCG 500iu shot eod
weeks 1-14: Proviron 25mg/ed
weeks 3-14: Nolvadex 20mg/eod
weeks 15-19: PCT - Nolvadex day 1: 80mg, days 2-14: 40mg, days 15-30: 20mg

obviously it is another bulker, test/deca/dbol, i'm running the proviron and nolva to help prevent bloat and gyno (which i experienced on my first cycle), that cycle look okay to you guys?

thanks in advance
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    Valley Fitness
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 05:10:19 (permalink)
    superdrol...?

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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 11:02:35 (permalink)
    superdrol...?

    Hey! Don't knock it, it's right up there with Androidics Drol-o-test!

    Oh yeah I spose instead of just making a smart as* comment I should say something useful lol ...

    1) Ok you shouldn't need to frontload the nolva in PCT as your levels will already be high if you've been using it throughout. Personally I run clomid with it, 50mg ED through PCT, and run slightly shorter cycles so get away without HCG.

    2) Drop the superdrol, if you want to use something decent just before PCT (e.g. winny tabs) then go for it.
    post edited by bob__ - 2005/07/24 11:23:29
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 13:47:21 (permalink)

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    superdrol...?


    pmsl super dooper pooper drol , ill make some just for you genics
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 14:44:29 (permalink)
    if bllod pressure was a problem with your first cycle then you have now designed a cycle that is likely to make it even worse, proviron at 25mg ed ime is not enough to eliminate water retention entirely and with the addition of deca you will most likely be more bloated than you were on the first cycle.

    also if you are gyno prone 25mg ed proviron may or may not be enough to stop its development, i got it for the first time in 9 cycles this time despite being on at least 25mg of proviron ed. if you are gyno prone (which i doubt as i believe last time you decided you had just put on fat) i would add 20 mg nolva eod or 10mg ed throughout your cycle along side proviron(ie from week 1 instead of week 3).

    pct looks ok but only need to run it this long if you feel particularly shout down (quite likely with the deca), no need to start at 80mg, 60mg is plenty as a start point and infact the doc on here from memory doesnt like doses above 40mg (pct meds are not without there own sides). i would be tempted to reduce the nolva dose and run clomid alongside it as this apears to be the most effective form of pct for most of us.

    hcg admin looks fine although i prefer using 1000iu eod for a total 0f 5000iu, lots of different ways to run this though.

    i would substitute the smarties at end of cycle with test prop as this will help with your labido during pct and beyond hopefully.

    also what height are you?,from your pics you look quite tall and skinny so to fully benefit from the cycle you may have to up your diet.

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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 15:08:51 (permalink)
    Looks good. All id do is start nolva during week1 rather than week 3 and id use clomid for pct aswel as nolva, but nolva only is fine too and id use hcg from weeks 9-14 at 500 iu's twice a week. Should be good bulker! Good luck Are ya gonna use saw palmetto and stuff like that too?
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 15:25:40 (permalink)

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    if bllod pressure was a problem with your first cycle then you have now designed a cycle that is likely to make it even worse, proviron at 25mg ed ime is not enough to eliminate water retention entirely and with the addition of deca you will most likely be more bloated than you were on the first cycle.

    also if you are gyno prone 25mg ed proviron may or may not be enough to stop its development, i got it for the first time in 9 cycles this time despite being on at least 25mg of proviron ed. if you are gyno prone (which i doubt as i believe last time you decided you had just put on fat) i would add 20 mg nolva eod or 10mg ed throughout your cycle along side proviron(ie from week 1 instead of week 3).

    pct looks ok but only need to run it this long if you feel particularly shout down (quite likely with the deca), no need to start at 80mg, 60mg is plenty as a start point and infact the doc on here from memory doesnt like doses above 40mg (pct meds are not without there own sides). i would be tempted to reduce the nolva dose and run clomid alongside it as this apears to be the most effective form of pct for most of us.

    hcg admin looks fine although i prefer using 1000iu eod for a total 0f 5000iu, lots of different ways to run this though.

    i would substitute the smarties at end of cycle with test prop as this will help with your labido during pct and beyond hopefully.

    also what height are you?,from your pics you look quite tall and skinny so to fully benefit from the cycle you may have to up your diet.



    thanks for the detailed response ihawk

    i am not 100% set on running the deca right now, your comment about BP is similar to what someone else has told me (BP will be worse if you throw deca in as well), i am considering dropping the deca, TBH i think i will gain well enough from the test on its own, and the recovery problems that i hear people get after deca cycles does concern me a bit too, however i will be doing a lot more cardio this cycle, and running ample amounts of hawthorne and coQ12 from day 1, also my BP was fine week 3, but by week 5 it was starting to creep into the high zone, so hopefully i can avoid this by dropping the dbol week 4 this time

    i'll kickstart pct with 60mg of nolva instead of 80mg (due the the fact i will already be on 20mg eod), i have considered running clomid but the potential side effects put me right off it, if i can get away without running it i'll do that, hopefully the nolva and hcg will be enough to help me recover, also if i don't run the deca then that will probably make recovery a fair bit easier

    the superdrol also might be removed or replaced, i'm not so keen on the ED shots of the prop but i'd consider swapping it with dbol or oral turinabol, i'll probably decide on that closer to the time, might be unnessecary in which case i won't rear load

    yes i am 6 ft 3, very skinny ectomorph naturally, where did you see my pics?
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 15:51:42 (permalink)
    saw your pics on a link you had once in your sig, not sure if its the on ein your sig now, your were posing alongside some nice girls.

    i dont rate eq much but if you want to add something along deca lines then eq would be a better bet, if funds are not a problem primo is an excellent choice and very mild.
    im only 3" taller than you but weigh another 100lbs and still think i look skinny, imo bulk over a few cycles and gain some quality mass before worrying about cutting to much.

    as you said test on its own will still yield results and deca is probably not necessary, imo deca is the worst choice (injectable wise) if bp is a problem.
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 16:36:37 (permalink)
    khany, nah im content with your "product "X"" have added 40lbs of lean mass already. superb

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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 17:29:03 (permalink)
    HI

    Suggest you at least try the Clomid during PCT. You may not get any sides.
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 17:41:46 (permalink)

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    khany, nah im content with your "product "X"" have added 40lbs of lean mass already. superb


    pmsl got project x y z coming out soon
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 17:42:21 (permalink)
    i hope they will be more toxic than prodcut X, you know i like to punish my body

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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 17:44:04 (permalink)

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    i hope they will be more toxic than prodcut X, you know i like to punish my body


    oh yes 3 times as potent as project "X" garrenteed to disolve your insides within the first week but you will of gained 3 stone so its all good
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 18:34:40 (permalink)
    i'll kickstart pct with 60mg of nolva instead of 80mg (due the the fact i will already be on 20mg eod)

    why!? you dont need to kickstart it when its already in your system. All a kickstart does is get you to peak concetrations quicker, if you have been on 20mg eod then it will already be at peak
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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 18:44:54 (permalink)
    ill be happy with 3stone in exchange for metled insides

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    RE: my 2nd AAS cycle 2005/07/24 19:51:01 (permalink)

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    ill be happy with 3stone in exchange for metled insides


    i will test it out on the goldfish first
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