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2015/02/14 21:18:53 (permalink)
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i'm a genetic none responder and this ****er proves it:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lORpUunYc5w
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Re: none responders 2015/02/15 00:38:47 (permalink)
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Just wasted five minutes of my life sitting through this waffle.
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Re: none responders 2015/02/15 01:43:25 (permalink)
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Thank foook for that I very nearly watched !! Was just gunna tap on the you tube link then I read your comment
post edited by campervan man - 2015/02/15 01:45:04
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Re: none responders 2015/02/15 09:31:35 (permalink)
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Just wasted five minutes of my life sitting through this waffle.



i understand this vid will put a lot of people in denial
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Re: none responders 2015/02/15 09:32:39 (permalink)
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Thank foook for that I very nearly watched !! Was just gunna tap on the you tube link then I read your comment

you should always think for yourself, instead of relying on other people's opinions
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 10:28:08 (permalink)
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Floydy
Just wasted five minutes of my life sitting through this waffle.



i understand this vid will put a lot of people in denial

Not denial mate. Just a state of boredom.
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 14:24:35 (permalink)
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Floydy
Just wasted five minutes of my life sitting through this waffle.



i understand this vid will put a lot of people in denial

Not denial mate. Just a state of boredom.

ok maybe it would have been better if i found some one more entertaining on the same topic but its still a grim reality
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 14:40:02 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2016/05/30 04:01:00
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Genetics play a huge role? You don't ****ing say lol
 
What I have never known is someone who really busted their ass in the gym and didn't respond at all. I'm sure there will be some people like that, with some rare genetic deficiency that prevents them from responding to exercise stimulus. But I'm straight out calling bull**** on that affecting 10% of the population (the study he quoted in the video was regarding VO2max and not muscle or strength gains, but even then I've never met anyone who couldn't improve his endurance through training at least a bit).
 
In regards to resistance training if you'd told me 0.1% I might have believed it. It's like the people who are fat because of a ****ed up thyroid, it's an absolutely tiny amount of the population but half the people who are overweight think it's their case.
 
OP: Do I believe you are a non responder to resistance training? Not really, the probability of that is minuscule, compared to the very high probability that you're just not training well enough to see results and are looking for excuses for you lack of progress (as it happens with most people in the gym). I have nothing against you and have no stake in the matter, I don't much care either way. I'm simply calling it like I see it.
 
In the extremely unlikely scenario that you're one of those genetic abnormalities that doesn't respond to training at all, well I'm sorry bro, it sucks to be you. But what exactly do you expect now, a medal for effort?
post edited by Uriel - 2015/02/15 14:41:15
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 14:40:38 (permalink)
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Yawn , why did I bother with that tosh?
I have never heard of anyone not having any effect from exercise and nutrition I call B.S. on this.
Yes there are genetic differences hardly ground breaking news on that . 
Science based? really ?? 
post edited by Dumbat - 2015/02/15 14:41:53

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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 17:19:33 (permalink)
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Genetics play a huge role? You don't ****ing say lol
 
What I have never known is someone who really busted their ass in the gym and didn't respond at all. I'm sure there will be some people like that, with some rare genetic deficiency that prevents them from responding to exercise stimulus. But I'm straight out calling bull**** on that affecting 10% of the population (the study he quoted in the video was regarding VO2max and not muscle or strength gains, but even then I've never met anyone who couldn't improve his endurance through training at least a bit).
 
In regards to resistance training if you'd told me 0.1% I might have believed it. It's like the people who are fat because of a ****ed up thyroid, it's an absolutely tiny amount of the population but half the people who are overweight think it's their case.
 
OP: Do I believe you are a non responder to resistance training? Not really, the probability of that is minuscule, compared to the very high probability that you're just not training well enough to see results and are looking for excuses for you lack of progress (as it happens with most people in the gym). I have nothing against you and have no stake in the matter, I don't much care either way. I'm simply calling it like I see it.
 
In the extremely unlikely scenario that you're one of those genetic abnormalities that doesn't respond to training at all, well I'm sorry bro, it sucks to be you. But what exactly do you expect now, a medal for effort?


i wasn't asking for a medal, i was pointing out that there was a video on none responders, you mad bro?
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 17:20:56 (permalink)
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Genetics play a huge role? You don't ****ing say lol
 
What I have never known is someone who really busted their ass in the gym and didn't respond at all. I'm sure there will be some people like that, with some rare genetic deficiency that prevents them from responding to exercise stimulus. But I'm straight out calling bull**** on that affecting 10% of the population (the study he quoted in the video was regarding VO2max and not muscle or strength gains, but even then I've never met anyone who couldn't improve his endurance through training at least a bit).
 
In regards to resistance training if you'd told me 0.1% I might have believed it. It's like the people who are fat because of a ****ed up thyroid, it's an absolutely tiny amount of the population but half the people who are overweight think it's their case.
 
OP: Do I believe you are a non responder to resistance training? Not really, the probability of that is minuscule, compared to the very high probability that you're just not training well enough to see results and are looking for excuses for you lack of progress (as it happens with most people in the gym). I have nothing against you and have no stake in the matter, I don't much care either way. I'm simply calling it like I see it.
 
In the extremely unlikely scenario that you're one of those genetic abnormalities that doesn't respond to training at all, well I'm sorry bro, it sucks to be you. But what exactly do you expect now, a medal for effort?


yes really and in the video he states that is a gene that stops the other genes from responding
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 17:25:51 (permalink)
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Well there you have it, i should have put a warning on this thread "if easily offended please stay away" i might do a part 2 to this thread on steroid responses on none responders to resistance training, stay tuned guys there may be more bitter pills to swallow
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 17:55:36 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2016/05/30 04:01:40
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In 25 years i've never met a "genetic none responder" but I know plenty of lazy cnuts 

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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 18:40:27 (permalink)
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In 25 years i've never met a "genetic none responder" but I know plenty of lazy cnuts 


Exactly.
 
Not mad at all. Just don't see the point in saying there are people out there with basically genetic diseases (that's old news), nor implying that these cases are common (they're obviously not, lots of people make poor gains from training but I've never met anyone that actually trained and made none). Or maybe it's just a massive coincidence that all the people I've ever known that made gains actually went to the gym and trained, and all the people I've ever known that didn't make gains at all just went to the gym to **** around with those vibrating platforms and the pink dumbbells.
 
Bitter pills to swallow? It's gonna take a lot more than the fact that you can't make gains to keep me awake at night  It clearly sounds to me like you're on a crusade to validate (read: make excuses for) your lack of gains, which, from a purely statistical standpoint, is almost certainly down to you not putting in the work and then bitching that nothing happened.
 
A youtube video doesn't prove anything, a single study (which you didn't provide) doesn't prove anything (at most it hints at something, but multiple peer reviewed studies showing the same tendency are needed for anything to be taken seriously in the scientific community), and even if the study quoted in the video is valid, it was on VO2max and not on muscle hypertrophy which are very different things.
post edited by Uriel - 2015/02/15 18:49:57
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 19:24:18 (permalink)
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In 25 years i've never met a "genetic none responder" but I know plenty of lazy cnuts 


Exactly.
 
Not mad at all. Just don't see the point in saying there are people out there with basically genetic diseases (that's old news), nor implying that these cases are common (they're obviously not, lots of people make poor gains from training but I've never met anyone that actually trained and made none). Or maybe it's just a massive coincidence that all the people I've ever known that made gains actually went to the gym and trained, and all the people I've ever known that didn't make gains at all just went to the gym to **** around with those vibrating platforms and the pink dumbbells.
 
Bitter pills to swallow? It's gonna take a lot more than the fact that you can't make gains to keep me awake at night  It clearly sounds to me like you're on a crusade to validate (read: make excuses for) your lack of gains, which, from a purely statistical standpoint, is almost certainly down to you not putting in the work and then bitching that nothing happened.
 
A youtube video doesn't prove anything, a single study (which you didn't provide) doesn't prove anything (at most it hints at something, but multiple peer reviewed studies showing the same tendency are needed for anything to be taken seriously in the scientific community), and even if the study quoted in the video is valid, it was on VO2max and not on muscle hypertrophy which are very different things.




 
i'm afraid your misinterpreting the video, or wishful thinking at least, its nothing to do with genetic diseases its about none responders who are completely normal, and yes the bitter pills are there for you weather you like them or not, this isnt just about me its about people refusing to accept this vital piece of information, you think i want to believe this? NO WAY IN MAY, if you watched all the vid and not selecting bits IT DID include hypertrophy, "putting in the work" LOLOLOL typical magazine manipulation
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 19:26:42 (permalink)
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In 25 years i've never met a "genetic none responder" but I know plenty of lazy cnuts 


even lazy ****s will make gains providing you are consistent and providing you re a responder
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 20:00:31 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby silent rep 2015/02/15 20:31:29
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Well firstly stop confusing 'your' and 'you're' cause that's just annoying for a start, and stop saying 'none responder' and thirdly stop using 'weather' instead of 'whether'

God damn your posts are annoying to read.

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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 20:16:54 (permalink)
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notfirstinlineforgeneticsi'm afraid your misinterpreting the video, or wishful thinking at least, its nothing to do with genetic diseases its about none responders who are completely normal, and yes the bitter pills are there for you weather you like them or not, this isnt just about me its about people refusing to accept this vital piece of information, you think i want to believe this? NO WAY IN MAY, if you watched all the vid and not selecting bits IT DID include hypertrophy, "putting in the work" LOLOLOL typical magazine manipulation

In the video the guy talks about a study in which 10% of the guys had no increase in VO2max in response to exercise. The study itself is not provided and he merely postulates that would also translate to resistance training (he himself admits there's no evidence to conclude this at all). 
 
Vital piece of information? I don't think you understand how science works. Right now this is flimsy as ****, it's a hypothesis at best. And it's based on non working genes so it's a genetic disease, of which the symptom is not responding to exercise in terms of improvements in VO2max.
 
But right now you're stuck in loop so unless you provide any new real data I'm done here.
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Re: Re: none responders 2015/02/15 22:31:01 (permalink)
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notfirstinlineforgeneticsi'm afraid your misinterpreting the video, or wishful thinking at least, its nothing to do with genetic diseases its about none responders who are completely normal, and yes the bitter pills are there for you weather you like them or not, this isnt just about me its about people refusing to accept this vital piece of information, you think i want to believe this? NO WAY IN MAY, if you watched all the vid and not selecting bits IT DID include hypertrophy, "putting in the work" LOLOLOL typical magazine manipulation

In the video the guy talks about a study in which 10% of the guys had no increase in VO2max in response to exercise. The study itself is not provided and he merely postulates that would also translate to resistance training (he himself admits there's no evidence to conclude this at all). 
 
Vital piece of information? I don't think you understand how science works. Right now this is flimsy as ****, it's a hypothesis at best. And it's based on non working genes so it's a genetic disease, of which the symptom is not responding to exercise in terms of improvements in VO2max.
 
But right now you're stuck in loop so unless you provide any new real data I'm done here.


its not a genetic disease , the body was not put on this planet to grow muscle, some people are not going to respond, hard work means **** if it doesn't pay off, you got it or you haven't and it sucks monkey's balls
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Re: none responders 2015/02/15 22:52:32 (permalink)
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But do we need the video to advise us?
I too shall vacate the thread. Hope you get some supporters.
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