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2009/07/28 10:49:02 (permalink)
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has anyone every un a shorter pct than 21 days nolva?
 
i only managed 3 weeks on epi before i got the flu so now on nolva, been having massive headaches high blood pressure etc stomache pains.
 
just want to get off meds and get back to normal.
 
how short could i cut pct and be ok?  would a normal blood test at the docs find anything wrong or will some thingsbe hidden from a normal blood test other than test levels obviously i mean  cholesterol levels, prostate probs, liver kindeys etc.
 
how long till all levels go back to normal.
 
i made a mistake and miss natral training whichi will stick to from now on. for any youngish dudes looking to try it i reccomend lots of research and consideration. idid  that but still i think looking back made the wrong dsecision
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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 10:54:45 (permalink)
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    jamie07

    has anyone every un a shorter pct than 21 days nolva?
     
    i only managed 3 weeks on epi before i got the flu so now on nolva, been having massive headaches high blood pressure etc stomache pains.
     
    just want to get off meds and get back to normal.
     
    how short could i cut pct and be ok?  would a normal blood test at the docs find anything wrong or will some thingsbe hidden from a normal blood test other than test levels obviously i mean  cholesterol levels, prostate probs, liver kindeys etc.
     
    how long till all levels go back to normal.
     
    i made a mistake and miss natral training whichi will stick to from now on. for any youngish dudes looking to try it i reccomend lots of research and consideration. idid  that but still i think looking back made the wrong dsecision


    IMO, you would be alright without the Nolva/PCT you only managed to do a 3 week Epi cycle anyway. Dout, it would of affected you that much.
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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 11:04:41 (permalink)
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    it deffinatly effected me, gained 14 pounds in 3 weeks! balls shrank too pumps the lot. loss of libido
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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 12:54:01 (permalink)
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    perminant shrinkage?
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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 13:14:12 (permalink)
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    I would imagine you would be fine with a shorter PCT.

    All the best getting better as well!
    post edited by allisalie - 2009/07/28 13:17:31

    Better to live one day as a Lion than 100 days as a chicken.
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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 13:44:25 (permalink)
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    i bloody hope not perminant shrinkage dam! got the feeling today like i did when they shank so hopefully they are kicking in more and will grow back to normal.

    thanks allisalie the muscle pains have gone just feel weak and headaches etc. havent eaten much atall last 4 days but arms still up half inch.weight has deff dropped though.
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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 13:52:34 (permalink)
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    Balls will return mate.

    Its possible nolva is not helping you, some people do not get on very well with it, if you're not already doing so I'd run it at 20mg ed max.

    As for how long to run it, I'm sure 10 days or a fortnight at 20mg ed could be effective enough for you following what was not likely to be too suppressive a cycle.
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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 14:22:08 (permalink)
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    thanks celt, im on 40mg phase atm i was thinking as only did half a cycle  will have pct do, i think ill do the ten days. then get a blood test done and im considering chageing my training more bodyweight orientated, cardio and condition and fitness goals instead of size.
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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 17:33:06 (permalink)
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    there wont be any permanent shrinkage. 

    Celt is correct, 20mg ed would be a good idea for 10 days. 

    Get well soon mate,


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    Re:pct 2009/07/28 20:56:37 (permalink)
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    anyone else got anything to add ? with peace of mind or similar story to tell?
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    Re:pct 2009/07/29 14:38:47 (permalink)
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    ive done 60mg 3 lots of 40mg and 1 lots of 20mg im going to stop now, suffer the low test which will return eventually.

    how long should i wait to go to docs about blood pressure and liver tests etc?
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    Re:pct 2009/07/29 14:42:08 (permalink)
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    I'd wait at least a week after your 'mini' PCT
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    Re:pct 2009/07/29 14:43:17 (permalink)
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    keep taking milk thistle and red yeast?
     no bother taking saw palmetto?
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    Re:pct 2009/07/29 15:49:46 (permalink)
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    no need for any of them, IMO.

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    Re:pct 2009/07/29 21:27:10 (permalink)
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    will it  not help sort my liver and pressure out? i can feel my liver a bit hopeing its ust mind playing tricks
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    Re:pct 2009/07/29 23:11:13 (permalink)
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    Use the milk thistle for peace of mind
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    Re:pct 2009/07/31 11:12:22 (permalink)
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    hey guts im going to docs today, as soon as i move fast or talk a wee bit fast or loud or anything that gets the blood going i get head pains straight away, and hot, feel ansious and also heart is beating very loudly.

    what shall i say tomy oc i dont wana tell him ive done  a few weeks epi and a  few days nolva realy.
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    Re:pct 2009/07/31 11:12:22 (permalink)
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    hey guts im going to docs today, as soon as i move fast or talk a wee bit fast or loud or anything that gets the blood going i get head pains straight away, and hot, feel ansious and also heart is beating very loudly.

    what shall i say to my doc i dont wana tell him ive done  a few weeks epi and a  few days nolva realy.
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    Re:pct 2009/07/31 15:55:06 (permalink)
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    well ive ust got back, mentioned i was having tight chest headache and can feel my heart more pronounced.

    blood pressure, heart sounds and pulse all someone who is fit and healthy he said.

    but to be safe i will be doing a egc, cardio graph. ust to be safe so after 3 weeks epi, 4 days nolva my blood pressure was fine. can feel liver kickin up a fuss and booking bloood test too tests not for 10 days so thats enough time to get nolva out of system?
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    Re:pct 2009/08/01 10:10:33 (permalink)
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    balls are alot bigger today!     balls are back woop woop lol
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