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2005/08/01 20:26:04 (permalink)
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Hi guys was just wondering what u guys think of the therory that u must be a great powerlifter to be a great strongman.What r ur opinions
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    an1mal111
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/01 20:28:59 (permalink)
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    My opinion is that its crap. Squatting and deadlifting are NOT powerlifing moves.. they are exercises employed by bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters and powerlifters alike.
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/01 23:22:51 (permalink)
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    Just a quick glance at past an present strongmen will show all sorts of backgrounds but with one thing in common all of them are amazing atheletes of strength an have all picked the best profesion . STRONGMAN !!!!!! its the mutts ...
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/02 00:47:09 (permalink)
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    It helps to have a good squat ,bench and deadlift but its not the be all and end all!

    in strongman you have to be strong full stop!
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/02 14:12:57 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: an1mal111

    My opinion is that its crap. Squatting and deadlifting are NOT powerlifing moves.. they are exercises employed by bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters and powerlifters alike.


    Just because squats and deadlifts are employed by bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters and powerlifters doesn't mean they're not powerlifting moves. It's perfectly obvious that they are. I can't see that it has much to do with whether good strongmen have to be good powerlifters either, but I agree that they don't.
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/02 21:43:41 (permalink)
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    Obviously there would be a lot of carry over strength a good powerlifter could use in Strongman.
    The deadlift and the beer keg squat are Strongman events. WSM that is.. Bench press however
    wouldn't be of too much value, except the possible forearm and tri strength of a very good bencher
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    an1mal111
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 01:39:33 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tokar


    ORIGINAL: an1mal111

    My opinion is that its crap. Squatting and deadlifting are NOT powerlifing moves.. they are exercises employed by bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters and powerlifters alike.


    Just because squats and deadlifts are employed by bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters and powerlifters doesn't mean they're not powerlifting moves. It's perfectly obvious that they are. I can't see that it has much to do with whether good strongmen have to be good powerlifters either, but I agree that they don't.


    Squatting and benching were around a ****ing long time before mainstream powerlifting was. PL does not have a monopoly on benching, squatting or deadlifting in the same way Oly. lifting does with the clean and jerk & the snatch.

    Everyone that squats is not automatically a powerlifter, and as many people are unfortuneatly testemant, you do not have to squat to be a powerlifter.

    Squatting has **** all to do with powerlifting other than the fact that you squat in a PL meet. When Dave Tate does laterals it doesn't make him a bodybuilder any more than Craig Titus becomes a powerlifter everytime he squats or deadlifts.

    Get a grip..

    You do not have to be a good powerlifter to be a good strongman. You do have to be a good squatter to be a good strongman.
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 09:37:02 (permalink)
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    an1mal111, most of what you are saying is not true. If you had said "Squatting and deadlifting are NOT solely powerlifing moves" then of course everyone would have agreed with you. As it is, to state "Squatting and deadlifting are NOT powerlifing moves" is utter nonsense. Powerlifting has three lifts: squat, bench and deadlift, two of which you claim are not powerlifting moves.

    That's like saying "kicking a football is not a footballing skill, lots of kids kick footballs in the street" It's spurious logic. "Kicking a football is not solely the preserve of the competitive footballer", however, is true.

    Or even, "eating hotdogs is not a hotdog-eating contest move" because lots of other people eat them not under contest conditions.

    Furthermore, there have been a few notable strongmen who are rubbish at squatting, eg Gregor Edmunds to name but one.
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 11:12:56 (permalink)
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    Good post Tom.

    I think Magnus Samuelson too is pretty poor at squats/deads compared to someone like Mark Phillipi or Savickas.
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    tokar
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 12:33:33 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: an1mal111


    ORIGINAL: tokar


    ORIGINAL: an1mal111

    My opinion is that its crap. Squatting and deadlifting are NOT powerlifing moves.. they are exercises employed by bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters and powerlifters alike.


    Just because squats and deadlifts are employed by bodybuilders, strongmen, weightlifters and powerlifters doesn't mean they're not powerlifting moves. It's perfectly obvious that they are. I can't see that it has much to do with whether good strongmen have to be good powerlifters either, but I agree that they don't.


    Squatting and benching were around a ****ing long time before mainstream powerlifting was. PL does not have a monopoly on benching, squatting or deadlifting in the same way Oly. lifting does with the clean and jerk & the snatch.

    Everyone that squats is not automatically a powerlifter, and as many people are unfortuneatly testemant, you do not have to squat to be a powerlifter.

    Squatting has **** all to do with powerlifting other than the fact that you squat in a PL meet.



    I agree most of what you've said there, but I think that the fact that the Squat is one of the competitive lifts in Powerlifting makes it fairly central to it, wouldn't you say?

    (Also: you say PL doesn't have a monopoly on benching and squatting because people other than PLers bench and squat. But I think you'll find plenty of athletes other than OLers perform the snatch and the clean and jerk.)
    post edited by tokar - 2005/08/03 12:37:14
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    tokar
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 12:35:40 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: BigTom

    an1mal111, most of what you are saying is not true. If you had said "Squatting and deadlifting are NOT solely powerlifing moves" then of course everyone would have agreed with you. As it is, to state "Squatting and deadlifting are NOT powerlifing moves" is utter nonsense. Powerlifting has three lifts: squat, bench and deadlift, two of which you claim are not powerlifting moves.

    That's like saying "kicking a football is not a footballing skill, lots of kids kick footballs in the street" It's spurious logic. "Kicking a football is not solely the preserve of the competitive footballer", however, is true.

    Or even, "eating hotdogs is not a hotdog-eating contest move" because lots of other people eat them not under contest conditions.



    Nice analogies, Tom.
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    BigTom
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 13:30:48 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: jonnymills

    Good post Tom.

    I think Magnus Samuelson too is pretty poor at squats/deads compared to someone like Mark Phillipi or Savickas.

    Thanks Jonny. Yeah I've seen Samuelsson get zero reps on the squat in competition before, largely because he is about seventeen feet tall. He has closed the CoC #4 gripper though and also won WSM (in 1998 if memory serves).
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 14:04:40 (permalink)
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    Yeah, he's not too shabby at the stones either. I think he's got a DVD out called something along the lines of "the strongest arms in the world". Wouldn't mind seeing that.
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    robt
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 14:23:27 (permalink)
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    I've got one of his DVDs and in that he's performing double reps of either 260kgs or 270kgs (can't remember which) on the bench press - totally raw.
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    RE: powerlifting 2005/08/03 16:00:03 (permalink)
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