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2011/03/26 14:08:59 (permalink)
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pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it....

im always playing with diet and trying new things.  Over the years i have historically always had carbs pre bed, and this method has provided me with the best recovery/growth, and had no impact on fat gain (shock horror  lol).  during my last precomp carbs were cut from prebed, though previously in precomp i still had them as i sleep better with carbs.
 
anyway, onto the point of the post.
 
prebed i have 90g of protein blend (long and short) in 500ml of semiskimmed milk, with 20ml of walnut oil.  sometimes i add a scoop of oats.
 
on the nights i add oats, i wake up about 2-3 in the morning so hungry its physically painfull and i have to get up and have something. 
 
if i dont have the oats in the shake, im fine untill 7 when i have breakfast.  Im trying to put some logic behind this, and the only think i can come up with is the carbs are fuelling either digestion or metabolism, leading to hunger much sooner.
 
anyone got any thoughts on this?
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    Danny187
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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/26 14:20:03 (permalink)
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    I am thinking I really need to eat more before bed :)
     
     
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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/27 12:18:31 (permalink)
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    I get the exact same thing, and I once did a bit of looking into why it happened. The best explanation I came up with went something like this:
     
    The part of your digestive system responsible for the secretion of amylase becomes less and less active as you approach bed-time; if you eat a lot of carbs before you go to sleep, they do not digest well. Your liver cannot produce glucose from non-carb sources particularly well at this time either, the effect being that hunger signals will be sent to your brain throughout the night, and you wake up incredibly hungry.
     
    If you don't eat before bed, your digestive system does not fire off all these signals to your brain, I can't remember the exact science but it was as if eating a large carb-rich meal before bed jams the signal on, so to speak.
     
    There was more in the original source but I can't find it, if I do I'll post it up
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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/27 12:39:29 (permalink)
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    thats interesting mate, so it could possibly be a 'false' kind of hunger?
     
    if you do find the original thing would love to see it.  I tried a few google searches, but after a few hours wading through stuff of little relevance i got bored looking!
     
    from that then, its hard to say wether having the carbs in pre bed is a good thing or not conventional wisdom is people avoid them because of fat gain, but it doesnt have that effect on me
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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/27 12:44:27 (permalink)
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    I am thinking I really need to eat more before bed :)

     
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    i thought i was being a bit cautious by having 40g peptide fusion in milk before bed, 90g+walnut oil+almost 1/2 pint milk sounds like loads!

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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/27 12:54:18 (permalink)
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    Still can't find the article but to elaborate a bit more on the false hunger thing, when you normally sleep you will of course go 8 hours without a meal, however at the point of waking up your body has stopped sending the signals that you are hungry and has gone into fasting mode, i.e. lying fairly dormant in anticipation of you breaking the fast (breakfast, yaay)... but, when you have slow-release carbs before bed, your digestive system does not get that chance to go into hibernation, and you wake up with it screaming at you how hungry it is.
     
    I agree with you that it doesn't particularly seem to make me fatter if I eat carbs before bed, but from what I read perhaps they just aren't utilised as effectively by the body during sleep as proteins and fats may be.

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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/27 12:59:21 (permalink)
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    certainly makes sense!  ive had the carbs in on workout days to bump cals and recovery/potential growth, but maybe the disruption to sleep is going to have more of a negative effect than the benefits from the carbs.
     
    actually thinking about it, on the odd couple of times i have been lazy and had say a monster mass which is malto based, it hasnt had the same effect, so maybe with the carbs being quicker they are digested and still allow the body/digestion to slow down and 'rest'
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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/27 13:17:53 (permalink)
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    This is an interesting topic...
     
    I have never had slow releasing carbs as part of my pre bed shake but on occasions where I have had a low GI carby meal before bed, I have also woken up in the night feeling very hungry or worse still when unable to get to sleep become hungry and had to eat.

    My pre bed shake is usually milk protein with skimmed milk and natty peanut butter and this causes no problems whatsoever.

    As for potential fat gain from some carbs pre bed, I am unsure myself, as I have never really been at a low enough bodyfat level to notice if one meal in particular was causing any. I can see your logic in have carbs for repair / recovery purposes though dazc and this is something I may try out and see what the effects are for me after I finish my cut and start my lean bulk.
     
    The carbs in the skimmed milk are pretty low GI aren't they, in the 30's? So by adding something like malto (as you mentioned you have done in the past) will hopefully give a decent amount of carbs for repair / recovery without the sleep disrupting hunger?
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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/27 17:06:25 (permalink)
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    dazc

    thats interesting mate, so it could possibly be a 'false' kind of hunger?

    if you do find the original thing would love to see it.  I tried a few google searches, but after a few hours wading through stuff of little relevance i got bored looking!

    from that then, its hard to say wether having the carbs in pre bed is a good thing or not conventional wisdom is people avoid them because of fat gain, but it doesnt have that effect on me

     
    Interesting!
     
    How many carbs do you eat during the day? and how many carbs pre bed are you eating? 
     
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    Re:pre bed shakes, and the effects of carbs in it.... 2011/03/28 14:53:51 (permalink)
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    Interesting answers..
     
    I know I always include carbs prebd on a training day and sleep better for it.
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