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researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ?

my dealer is suggesting this as a first testo cycle:

week 1-5 20mg d-bol each day
week 1-14 250mg/ml Testosteron Enantat every 5 days
week 15-19 100mg/ml Testosteron Propionate every 2 days

what do you think ?

PCT is of course Clomid and Nolva.



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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 11:11:37 (permalink)
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    Too long for a first cycle i feel. And the dose it a bit low aswell. The simple 500mg Test E for 10 weeks is the best way to go i think.
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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 11:35:09 (permalink)
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    I tend to agree with you Vince.

    I read the MT article (amongst others) and I still can't really work out what the taper out with Test Prop actually achieves.



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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 11:45:44 (permalink)
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    Drop the prop.

    14 weeks is plenty for a 1st.

    Dosages for the others are ok and shows caution.

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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 11:46:56 (permalink)
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    There is some merit to using a short ester towards the end of the cycle. If you compare the test levels during PCT for a Test E only cycle and a test Prop only cycle, although they will be similar levels when PCT is started, the test prop will be alot lower throughout PCT as its half life is so much shorter.

    So combining them as above will mean that the Test E gets an extra 2 weeks to reduce but test levels will be kept high right upto PCT with the prop.

    The method is spot on, its just the length and doses i dont really agree with. Too low and too long. Although you could argue that the shutdown would be similar using lower doses for longer but i wouldnt want to shut myself down for 20 weeks on a first cycle.
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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 12:43:18 (permalink)
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    weeks 1-4 dbol 30mg every day
    weeks 1-10 test e @500mg per week (Mon-Thurs)

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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 12:49:20 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: didless

    weeks 1-4 dbol 30mg every day
    weeks 1-10 test e @500mg per week (Mon-Thurs)




    agree, ill probably drop the dbol first time around though

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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 12:56:01 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: didless

    weeks 1-10 test e @500mg per week (Mon-Thurs)



    this means 250mg on Mon and 250mg on Thurs....right?



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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 12:56:53 (permalink)
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    thanks for the Prop taper explanation Vince



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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 12:57:40 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Northern Rocker


    ORIGINAL: didless

    weeks 1-10 test e @500mg per week (Mon-Thurs)



    this means 250mg on Mon and 250mg on Thurs....right?


    yep

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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 13:06:12 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: V1nce

    There is some merit to using a short ester towards the end of the cycle. If you compare the test levels during PCT for a Test E only cycle and a test Prop only cycle, although they will be similar levels when PCT is started, the test prop will be alot lower throughout PCT as its half life is so much shorter.

    So combining them as above will mean that the Test E gets an extra 2 weeks to reduce but test levels will be kept high right upto PCT with the prop.

    The method is spot on, its just the length and doses i dont really agree with. Too low and too long. Although you could argue that the shutdown would be similar using lower doses for longer but i wouldnt want to shut myself down for 20 weeks on a first cycle.


    As v1nce says, the theory is sound, its just a little complicated for a first timer, IMO.

    As said, I also think the doses are low - 500mg/week test for 10-12 weeks, with an optional dbol kickstart at 20-30/ed is not excessive


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    RE: researching for a possible test e cycle.... opinions please ? 2007/06/20 13:29:54 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tac


    ORIGINAL: V1nce

    There is some merit to using a short ester towards the end of the cycle. If you compare the test levels during PCT for a Test E only cycle and a test Prop only cycle, although they will be similar levels when PCT is started, the test prop will be alot lower throughout PCT as its half life is so much shorter.

    So combining them as above will mean that the Test E gets an extra 2 weeks to reduce but test levels will be kept high right upto PCT with the prop.

    The method is spot on, its just the length and doses i dont really agree with. Too low and too long. Although you could argue that the shutdown would be similar using lower doses for longer but i wouldnt want to shut myself down for 20 weeks on a first cycle.


    As v1nce says, the theory is sound, its just a little complicated for a first timer, IMO.

    As said, I also think the doses are low - 500mg/week test for 10-12 weeks, with an optional dbol kickstart at 20-30/ed is not excessive


    I disagree mate...

    One compound only is needed for a 1st cycle IMO

    NR - I thought no more cycles??
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