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2005/07/23 01:37:09 (permalink)

sick to death

I've been a member here for 3 years and been weight training even longer and the gains I've made have been nothing short of ****e.

I have had alot of problems along the way (injuries, mental health, illness) during those times my diet wasn't the best, infact it was crap. I used to get sore throats all the time, at least once a month, but I didn't know if that was down to glandular fever twice messing with my immune system or over training, or both. So during that time my training was always interupted and I never really got a clean run until now.

anyway, since then, I've got my diet sorted, and haven't been ill for over 15 months now. I've learnt a hell of alot more about all aspects of weight training and after having a broken hand and being completely away from training for nearly a year, I'm back training again and have been at it for the last year or so now. for 5 of those months I was on a fat loss routine in which I lost 2.5 stone. Since december of last year I've been on mass gain and have gained some mass (though I can't see it)

I still feel as though I'm not gaining the way I should be. My rear delts and my neck seem to have made the best gains (they only get trained inadvertantly) next is my back and that's about it.

I'm pissed off that my arms won't grow. More recentley I've tried DC training and my arms just havent budged. before that I was training each bodypart once a week with 4 sets and still my arms wouldn't budge.I've tried supersets and burnout sets and still they don't grow.

I'm going to start training using HIT and see how that goes. Maybe the signs are there ie inadvertantly training my arms might lead to growth as is the case with my neck and rear deltoids?

I have gained a fair bit of weight though. I used to weigh 8.5 stone as fully grown male. I'm now just under 12 stone but I have gained some fat as well.

the only real point to this post is: I would like peoples opinions, or people who have been in the same boat as me to give me some advice.

This is getting me down. anyway, I'm going to try the HIT and see how that goes.




 

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    Lewandad
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 02:53:12 (permalink)
    what exercises are you doing for your arms, first off?

    I recommend preacher curls/concentration curls (pick one), dips and tricep extensions, and hammer curls. that is the routine I am on right now.
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 02:54:01 (permalink)
    oh, and if you are training things INADVERTEDLY and they are growing, take a bit of the volume off of your workout and increase intensity, because it seems like you grow with less training.
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 03:21:15 (permalink)
    I've tried everything mate, they just don't wanna grow



     

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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 08:13:52 (permalink)
    Have you tried a whole body approach?

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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 10:36:22 (permalink)
    I've been training for 15 years mate and like you I feel my gains are sh*te. My problem has always been my diet and more recently alcohol as well. You have managed to gain 3.5 stone (although you say some of this is fat ), that is not to be sniffed at. Although you have not given your height I'm guessing that at a bodyweight of 8.5 stone you were extremely skinny and therefore probably have limited genetics for mass. Are your goals realistic ? Why dont you post your diet up here as well just in case there are changes needed that you havn't spotted.

    No biggie like, there are a lot worse things for you than using steroids, I mean I probably shouldn't have been smoking crack or getting into bar fights at your age TBH  - drab4

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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 11:01:47 (permalink)
    If you want your arms to grow its tempting to just do more and more sets of curls etc.Firstly,you're triceps make up two thirds of your upper arm,so go with heavy close grip bench press and skull crushers for 3 or 4 sets each with 6-8 reps.I wouldnt do any more than 3 sets of heavy barbell curls and maybe 3 sets of preachers for you're bis.Forget about burnout sets and advanced traing methods for a while.The main thing is though that if you want big arms you have to get bigger all over,with exercises like squats,rows,presses etc.I'm told that generally you'll put an inch on your arms for every stone of muscular weight you put on.Make sure you eat like a horse,and try taking creatine if you dont already.Being consistent is the most important thing.Stick with it and I bet if you took a pic of yourself now and in a years time you'd surprise yourself.
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 16:22:29 (permalink)
    I forgot to say that I do use steroids too.

    I'm 5 foot 8-9

    and yes I was riddiculously skinny.

    my diet has been posted in the diet forum and james said it was OK.

    It's riddiculous, I give people advice and the advice I give works for them but it doesn't work for me WTF?

    my bro has made great gains without the use of gear




     

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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 16:52:14 (permalink)
    "I still feel as though I'm not gaining the way I should be. My rear delts and my neck seem to have made the best gains (they only get trained inadvertantly) next is my back and that's about it. "

    May be nothing but the only parts that are growing you aren't working directly.

    As you have little to lose as you are not gaining much anyway, why not go back to a basic routine, and most importantly one where you start off with weights at 80% of max. Take a month to get to your previous best then run a short LBM steriod cycle.

    Even more interesting would be a routine that uses dips and pull ups to indirectly work the arms. Do no arm work at all, just focus on building poundages on the big exercises.

    post edited by alpine - 2005/07/23 16:53:10
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 17:36:56 (permalink)
    search for this guy called waterbury on the net, really great guy when it comes to packing mass on people
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 18:03:19 (permalink)
    Just did a search for (chad) Waterbury and found this article

    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459341

    hope it helps
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 21:02:16 (permalink)
    thanks all

    has anyone here tried that form of training? chad waterbury I mean??



     

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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 21:15:02 (permalink)
    Ok Im really DIYING to try these methods! Ice-mach grrr, just when I thought I had my training sorted :S
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 21:24:49 (permalink)
    One thing about "The Anti-Bodybuilding Hypertrophy Program Break the "Rules" and Gain Real Muscle!" programme, after the 23 days, do you repeat the programme?


    Im getting excited!



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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 21:37:14 (permalink)
    OK I have used almost every method of Chad Waterbury and this guy is the bomb!I started at 8 stones at 6 foot and now am 175lbs. so a gain of 4 stones and a bit in a year and a bit. Samcim ABBH is really really good most of the mass I packed on was because of that very routine, after the 23 days, change the reps for the exercises and do for another 23 days after which take a weeks break and do another of his great routines or this other guy called Christian Thibadeau off that site makes VERY good routines, one of my mates went on his routines and made pretty good gains of it.

    ie

    Day 1 is 10x3

    A1)BB bench press
    A2)Cable Row

    it will become

    Day 1-10x3
    A1)Chins
    A2)Dips

    and same applies for the other days

    post edited by ice_mach - 2005/07/23 21:43:44
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 21:44:29 (permalink)
    hey samcim hope this will help you its a logsheet of his routines so all you have to do is print it off and take it to the gym

    http://216.17.22.84/uploads/CW_Programs.zip
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 21:46:16 (permalink)
    Now I gotta find out my 1rp maximum :S, whats the best way to do this, never done a 1rm before.
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 21:48:48 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ice_mach

    hey samcim hope this will help you its a logsheet of his routines so all you have to do is print it off and take it to the gym

    http://216.17.22.84/uploads/CW_Programs.zip

    LOL, this helps me so much mate, saves me doing it :D, excel rocks!
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 21:50:40 (permalink)
    Dont worry about it he later came out with leaving 2 reps in the hole rule, but here is what type of weights you should use for each day
    the:
    10x3(use a weight which you can press for 5 reps)
    5x10(use a weight you can press for 14 reps)
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    RE: sick to death 2005/07/23 22:56:01 (permalink)
    5 months, 2.5 stone lost... mass gaining for the past six months...

    bet you look a **** load better than you used to!


    does sound a little like you've been pushing too hard to be honest - sore throats and stuff, and the only stuff growing quick is the bits you don't directly work. I guess the more abbreiviated routines might pay off for you, either the chad waterbury stuff (as mentioned above), HST, or maybe something like mcroberts hardgainer routines may be a good thing to try?
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