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2004/02/15 13:54:56 (permalink)
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smiths machine or bench?

does it really matter if you use a smiths machine for bench press or is it best to use a bench? obviously it depends if you have someone to spot for you.What are your thoughts?
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    GoldenArrow
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/15 14:03:30 (permalink)
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    Yes, they are totally different ranges of motion and muscle recruitment...bench is superior in terms of stablilisers etc, but you can use more weight on smith which may help you break a plateau for instance.
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/15 15:27:10 (permalink)
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    ...and you don't really need a spotter on bench unless you want to do negatives or forced reps.
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/15 16:47:53 (permalink)
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    use the bench mate its much more beneficial than using the smith machine also if a spotter is the problem you could try using dumbbells ( the same if not better than barbell bench ) and weighted dips
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/17 19:18:35 (permalink)
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    Go with the bench- if u want to change it up a little switch from the straight bar to dumbbells.
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/17 22:16:44 (permalink)
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    Bench is a lot better than smith machine.

    I train alone so use the power rack at the gym, as my "spotter". I just slide a bench inside there, and set the side bars to a height that doesnt interfere with my range of motion, but would save my ass if lost control of the bar on the last rep.

    As stated above using Dbells, or dips are also excellent choices.
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/18 05:35:44 (permalink)
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    The Smith is a waste of space, imo. There is really no comparison to barbells/dumbells for reasons already stated above.
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/18 10:39:43 (permalink)
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    quote:
    The Smith is a waste of space, imo.


    i disagree - from the point of a beginner the smith machine is very good in getting used to lifting weight. when i first started i found it difficult to balance the bar when doing chest press'. the smith machine balances the bar for you while u get used to lifting weight. after a few uses of it im able to lift the bar without 'aeroplane-ing' it.

    however i do agree that a smith machine is less effective in a direct comparison of a smith machine and bar/d'bell presses

    thats my 2c anyway!

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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/18 11:41:12 (permalink)
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    Encore une fois:

    The sm*th machine is your enemy. The sm*th is the antichrist of hardcore lifting. The sm*th is the single largest waste of a lifters time every invented by man, beast or supernatural entity. Death be to the sm*th machine.

    The only thing the sm*th machine is good for is chin ups and a towel rack, unless you can actually pick the damn thing up and bench it, in which case, maximum respect...

    If you don't have a spot (i.e you are training alone in the gym), then just cut the weight down but stick to the bench. That'd still be better than using the sm*th.

    HelpMeGain - You could clean and press a weight off the floor and then do the overhead squat... Try that for a damn difficult exercise. You can also do DL and SLDL as well.
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/18 15:10:09 (permalink)
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    IMHO a smith machine causes more problems than it solves as the range of motion is unnatural for squats or bench. Just start benching light to find "your" weight and leave your ego in the changing rooms. People who I see on the smith in my gym are the fellas who want to give the impression they are lifting more than they actually can as it allows you to cheat on form. It's the same fellas that never grow.

    If you want to squat then you can always ask a couple of fellas in the gym to raise the weight to your shoulders and spot you as you lift heavier. There will come a time though when you really need a squat rack of some kind
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/18 15:17:51 (permalink)
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    there is no need to get used to balencing the weight, if you cannot, its too heavy. use DB's to start with if you are a beginner, this will go a long way to teaching you good form, being safe with no spotter and correcting any natural strength imbalences.

    rob

    P.S. treat the smith as you would your mother in law, avoid at all costs, use stealth and pipe bombs if neccesary.
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/18 16:32:31 (permalink)
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    Smith Machine == Sh|t Machine

    Under no circumstances would I ever suggest it.

    There is a natural arc that occurs in benching and loosing that arc causes your body to contort into bad form.

    Start with low weight until you can get your form down proper. Don't be embarassed to even bench a bare bar if that's what it takes.

    Death to Smith Machines!
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/18 16:47:27 (permalink)
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    quote:
    There is a natural arc that occurs in benching and loosing that arc causes your body to contort into bad form.


    depends on whether your bbuilding or powerlifting, powerlifting you want to move the weight in a staight line to reduce distance, i have used the smith machine to good effect and has helped my bench in the early years, but it is no substitute for free weights..
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/18 19:39:37 (permalink)
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    ok guys,thanks for clearing that up!
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/20 16:42:03 (permalink)
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    Don't be embarassed to even bench a bare bar if that's what it takes.

    thats what i was doing. ive just recently moved up!

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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/20 18:03:36 (permalink)
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    Congrats on the gains, soap. Good job hangin tough. Anyway, an olympic bar weighs 45 pounds, which a lot of the general public couldn't even bench I bet.
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/20 22:59:36 (permalink)
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    cheers mucker! i dont understand pounds, more familiar with KGs. as far as im aware the bar is 20kg.



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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/21 01:44:51 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by HelpMeGain

    I'm not using the smith for chest but am using it for squats. It seems ok to me so far, what do you think ?
    The gym i go to doesnt have a squat rack or power rack so i dnt know if i have any other option

    Cheers

    You'll recieve far more benefit from squating with free weights. Is joining another gym not an option? Squating with barbells in a rack really does feel (and is) better - you can push yourself hard with no worry of failing as the safety pins will catch the bar should you get into trouble.

    Whilst in the gym you're currently going to, I would recommend doing front squats - I don't know how much weight you're squating, just 'clean' the weight up to the front of your shoulders and squat. Else you could squat with some heavy dumbells, or perform hacksquats -both good for your grip and traps to boot.

    Lunges too.

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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/21 02:15:51 (permalink)
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    i hate machines, stick to the bench m8
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    RE: smiths machine or bench? 2004/02/21 21:06:12 (permalink)
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    The Smiths Machine is evil!!!! Do Bench Press. You need a spotter for safety aspects if you go heavy.
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