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2007/06/13 11:18:15 (permalink)

speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged

Just been given 3 points, a £60 fine and an SP20 (speeding in a small van) offence code to bump my insurance up with this morning.

The heinous crime? Doing 8mph over the 60mph speed limit for vans in an otherwise 70mph stretch of road. So, while everyonje else is doing 70mph-plus, I'm trying not to hold up dual carriageway traffic by doing 68mph in a hire van.

Plod in Wales decides to prosecute since vans can only do 60mph on dual carriageways.

Fair enough it's law-breaking and there's a consequence. If only they'd paid that much attention last year when I got a shooter aimed at my head and threats to burn my house down and "rape my wife". In that instance, they didn't even come out, I kid you not.

Yours in a sulk, contemplating cloning some numberplates....

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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:33:14 (permalink)
    Sympathies, mate. I didn't even know there was a lower speed limit for vans. Is that all vans (Escort-size?) or just bigger ones that are nearly hgvs? Seems a totally stupid law to me. They can all do a ton easily now. Another speed law from the 60s that needs to be brought up to date?

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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:36:04 (permalink)
    You really have my sympathy mate. It seems very harsh.

    You did gain far too much fat though,I mean,you're not muscular at all,you're just a fat mess.
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:36:38 (permalink)
    You've got my sympathy mate. A couple of years back I was picked up for no car tax. £120 in fines!! Fair enough, I thought, until I was reading in the local paper about a smack head who walked into the local Tescos, punched a girl in the face and tried to steal fags. He claimed problems due to addiction, and got fined £60. So my crime was twice as serious in the eyes of the law. C*nts.

    note - he also got a suspended sentence, but as a general rule I like to leave bits like that out when looking for sympathy
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:37:37 (permalink)
    Was it motorway or dual carraigeway mate?
    Over here the limit on dual carraige way is 100kmph(60mph), and motorway is 120kmph(70mph)

    I always thought the limits were the same in UK and IRL
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:39:00 (permalink)
    Everydays a new adventure righty!!

    Seriously thats a real pain in the ar se. Just unluckly really. Still think the penalties are extortionate!

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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:39:00 (permalink)
    Thats pathetic, to be given a fine for that is bad enough but the 3 points as well takes the piss.
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:47:51 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Dan Nukem

    Was it motorway or dual carraigeway mate?
    Over here the limit on dual carraige way is 100kmph(60mph), and motorway is 120kmph(70mph)

    I always thought the limits were the same in UK and IRL



    It was on a dual carriageway, so it is in fact law-breaking.
    When I queried the idea behind it, I was told it's because small vans don't have the handling or braking power of a car.

    I could understand if this applied to a bigger van - say a mercedes sprinter, but this was one of the new little Mercedes vans - not much bigger than a car. It outbrakes my Scooby and to be honest, handled much better than, say, a typical car made 10 years ago - something like a Vectra.

    In future, while on a congested dual carriageway at rush hour with cars up my arse, I'll stick to 60mph and hold them all up, should I find myself in a van again.

    Just trawled through my local paper online and found someone who beat-up 2 revellers at a local bar just got a £50 fine. Puts the importance of speeding into context.
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:48:54 (permalink)
    Great this country isnt it
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:54:08 (permalink)
    Sympathies mate, it's an absolute farce isn't it?

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    Well said.

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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:55:09 (permalink)

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    Great this country isnt it


    Bring back National Service I say, etc...
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:55:11 (permalink)
    Can you not just plead ignorance mate.I drive a van and thats the first I've heard of that law (not that my old van can go fast enough to break the speed limit).I'd consider taking it to higher authorities personally I think.
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:58:02 (permalink)
    Dan, it's 70mph for us if the dual carrriageway has a central reservation.

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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 11:59:29 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cleg

    Can you not just plead ignorance mate.I drive a van and thats the first I've heard of that law (not that my old van can go fast enough to break the speed limit).I'd consider taking it to higher authorities personally I think.


    Doubt that would work. Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse for breaking it.

    You did gain far too much fat though,I mean,you're not muscular at all,you're just a fat mess.
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 12:03:30 (permalink)
    im afraid that wouldn't work, ignorance is not an excuse in law im afriad.

    South Wales Police are tough on speeding i think if i remember correctly their chief is a traffic nut ( i think its south wales anyway).

    have to say that is a bit harsh though mate. basicly they have stuck right on the national recommended level, e.g. 10% +2 mph over. ( although we can issue tickets at 1 mph over if we wanted, most people dont realise that, although that doesnt happen offened, usually if ther driver is an ar*e. LOL!).

    ORIGINAL: cleg

    Can you not just plead ignorance mate.I drive a van and thats the first I've heard of that law (not that my old van can go fast enough to break the speed limit).I'd consider taking it to higher authorities personally I think.

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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 12:08:41 (permalink)

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    ORIGINAL: cleg

    Can you not just plead ignorance mate.I drive a van and thats the first I've heard of that law (not that my old van can go fast enough to break the speed limit).I'd consider taking it to higher authorities personally I think.


    Doubt that would work. Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse for breaking it.


    I would say that it's a bloody good excuse.If he thought the limit was 70 then to his knowledge he wasnt breaking the law.Admittedly if the matter was taken further you're relying on them having the good grace to overturn it,but you never know your luck.I've had a couple of parking tickets overturned by challenging them so it could be worth a letter at least.
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 12:13:53 (permalink)
    i see where you are coming from but a driver is expected to know at all times the speed limits, so he wouldn't be able to say he didn't know as they will just tell he should have know and tuff luck basicly. (which i know is a bast*rd but thats how they have set the law).

    traffic offences are what they call absolute offences, basicly once you have committed a traffic offence you are guilty and that is that. you have to prove you are not gulity and that is up to you alone, we do not need to prove guilt like for other criminal offences because with traffic offences you are guilty straight away. (explained very simply)



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    ORIGINAL: cleg

    Can you not just plead ignorance mate.I drive a van and thats the first I've heard of that law (not that my old van can go fast enough to break the speed limit).I'd consider taking it to higher authorities personally I think.


    Doubt that would work. Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse for breaking it.


    I would say that it's a bloody good excuse.If he thought the limit was 70 then to his knowledge he wasnt breaking the law.Admittedly if the matter was taken further you're relying on them having the good grace to overturn it,but you never know your luck.I've had a couple of parking tickets overturned by challenging them so it could be worth a letter at least.

    post edited by CASS - 2007/06/13 12:14:51
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 12:15:50 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: bertie

    You've got my sympathy mate. A couple of years back I was picked up for no car tax. £120 in fines!! Fair enough, I thought, until I was reading in the local paper about a smack head who walked into the local Tescos, punched a girl in the face and tried to steal fags. He claimed problems due to addiction, and got fined £60. So my crime was twice as serious in the eyes of the law. C*nts.

    note - he also got a suspended sentence, but as a general rule I like to leave bits like that out when looking for sympathy


    IMO its the following fact that matters.

    Scum/theives/druggies have no money. It doesn't pay to arrest them, they only consume money and spending.

    Drivers have money (thro the virtue of a car) and thus an easy target. Their arrests (or simple letters) deliver a min of £60 a pop.

    That said, 3 points doesn't add squat these days to your insurance. IIRC a large provider recently said they won't be taking points under 6 into account since a vast swathe of SAFE drivers have them. As far as they are concerned it doesnt show an increased risk with the said drivers.

    Shows to me its all about the £££££££
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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 12:19:03 (permalink)
    i got pulled a cpl months ago driving down the borders in a high roof transit, doing 69mph, said it was my first time in a van and wasnt sure that i wasnt allowed to go over 60mph

    got let off with a warning

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    RE: speeding conviction - feel like I've been mugged 2007/06/13 12:20:03 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Puzzle

    Dan, it's 70mph for us if the dual carrriageway has a central reservation.


    Ah, I see, cheers mate, i was starting to get confused!
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