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2006/07/12 23:49:22 (permalink)
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starting first cycle

here we go guys this is my first cycle after 5 years of training
just hit the wall and a few vets told me it was time .

5,9 tall, 16.5 stone , bf not a clue
18 inc bi, 24inc legs, 38inc waste, 46inc chest.

max bp 160kg,leg press 380 kg

week 1 to 8 test-e mon/ thurs 250
week 1 to 8 35mg of dbol ed
week 10 to 14 novla

dose this sound ok
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    Medichecks
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/12 23:51:33 (permalink)
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    cut the dbol back to 4 weeks, the test will kick in by then.

    otherwise looks fine and you sound ready. good luck.
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/13 00:50:40 (permalink)
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    It looks good, looks like you have done some research you aren't trying to over complicate your first cycle my only question is why 35mg of dbol instead of 30mg? I only use 30 and I find that to work just fine, and it is an oral so it is liver toxic
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/13 07:27:56 (permalink)
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    week 1 to 8 test-e mon/ thurs 250
    week 1 to 8 35mg of dbol ed
    week 10 to 14 novla


    Week 1-10 test e @500 ew
    Week 1-4 dbol @30mg ed

    You could also take a 4-5 week break on dbol and take it again on the back end while waiting for pct.... Its a good idea!!! been there done that, worked great. Liver values are good too
    PCT in sig.

    PCT
    Day 1 clomid 150mg, novla 60mg
    Day 2-11 clomid 100mg, novla 40mg
    Day 12-21 clomid 50mg, novla 20mg
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/15 04:22:38 (permalink)
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    thanks guys for the feedback will drop it to 30mg for just 4 weeks
    is it worth doing it again at end before pct.
    not useing clomid as i hear it can give you bad mood swings
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/15 07:42:29 (permalink)
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    i like using both clomid and nolva and i dont have the mood swings people talk about. I guess this depends on the person.

    As said before, i like running Dbol at the back end while waiting for pct. It keeps the pump up and helps as test levels drop.
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/15 18:59:24 (permalink)
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    im on the same cycle mate at 30mg dbol and gaining nicely
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/15 19:02:35 (permalink)
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    BTW, covetous you run dbol after last test e for the 2 weeks upto PCT? sounds like a good idea
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/15 21:16:40 (permalink)
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    well pct for test e begins in 2 weeks

    I run mine like this
    week 1-10 test e@500ew
    week 1-4 dbol @30 ed
    week 8-12 dbol @30 ed

    I start my pct 8 hrs after last dbol.
    I also dont use any liver protecters on the first run of dbol as it weakens your steriod. I do however run protecterson the last 4 weeks of the dbol. I cant suggest anyone not taking the protecters while running dbol. I know how my body responds to dbol and get my liver values checked out.
    post edited by CoVetous - 2006/07/15 21:19:34
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/16 09:29:21 (permalink)
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    I also dont use any liver protecters on the first run of dbol as it weakens your steriod.


    any evidence for this?? dont this its true tbh!!
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/16 10:02:47 (permalink)
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    agreed,sounds like nonsense....dbol always made me big no matter how much milk thistle I gobbled up LOL

    show me a scientific paper/article that supports this notion.......
    and remember,a happy liver is always ready for more damage from 17aa's...so be a good kid and take your milkthistle every day!! take ALA and NAC as well=powerful liver protector for things like acetaminophen. used in hospitals to reverse liver damage from tylenol
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    RE: starting first cycle 2006/07/16 10:54:17 (permalink)
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    Taken from bodybuilding.com

    I don't normally recommend the use of liver-protectors during a cycle as enhances liver function breaks down a greater amount of your steroid, but in this case you ought to make an exception. Milk thistle, dessicated liver, vitamin B6 and such both during and after a cycle are highly advised

    www.lef.org/abstracts/codex/milk_thistle_abstracts.htm

    18. Drug Metab Dispos. 2000 Nov;28(11):1270-3.

    Milk thistle, a herbal supplement, decreases the activity of CYP3A4 and uridine diphosphoglucuronosyl transferase in human hepatocyte cultures.

    Venkataramanan R, Ramachandran V, Komoroski BJ, Zhang S, Schiff PL, Strom SC.

    Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences School of Pharmacy, Pennsylvania, USA. rv+@pitt.edu

    Milk thistle extract is one of the most commonly used nontraditional therapies, particularly in Germany. Milk thistle is known to contain a number of flavonolignans. We evaluated the effect of silymarin, on the activity of various hepatic drug-metabolizing enzymes in human hepatocyte cultures. Treatment with silymarin (0.1 and 0.25 mM) significantly reduced the activity of CYP3A4 enzyme (by 50 and 100%, respectively) as determined by the formation of 6-beta-hydroxy testosterone and the activity of uridine diphosphoglucuronosyl transferase (UGT1A6/9) (by 65 and 100%, respectively) as measured by the formation of 4-methylumbelliferone glucuronide. Silymarin (0.5 mM) also significantly decreased mitochondrial respiration as determined by MTT reduction in human hepatocytes. These observations point to the potential of silymarin to impair hepatic metabolism of certain coadministered drugs in humans. Indiscriminate use of herbal products may lead to altered pharmacokinetics of certain drugs and may result in increased toxicity of certain drugs.


    I emailed bodybuilding.com and asked for sources for his conclusion of breaking down more of the steriod. I havent recived a reply. If anyone knows an editor maybe you can help. Bottom line is running milk thistle is a good idea.

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